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VIDEO: Lancaster opposition continues over Palmdale Power Plant

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LANCASTER – The city of Lancaster remains opposed to the Palmdale Power Plant because it will produce 546 tons of pollutants every year, which would impact Lancaster’s elementary schools, workplaces and residential areas. So says Lancaster Councilmember Marvin Crist. Crist presented detailed information to support his claims at the Lancaster city council meeting Tuesday night. Towards the end of his 15-minute presentation, Crist outlined the “misinformation” he said was being spread by Palmdale officials regarding the power plant. According to Crist:

  • Palmdale officials said the power plant would be owned and operated by the city of Palmdale, but the power plant was actually sold to Summit Power Group.
  • The city of Palmdale invested $35 million into the power plant, but sold it for only $28 million.
  • Palmdale officials said the venture would reduce residents’ electric bills, but there is no legal mechanism in place to do so.
  • Palmdale officials claim the power plant is “clean,” when the plant will actually produce 546 tons of pollutants annually, making it the “largest stationary polluter in the Antelope Valley.”
  • Palmdale officials said the power plant will be located in north central Palmdale, when the power plant is actually 60 feet from the Lancaster city border.

“They’ve located this power plant on the front door steps of the city of Lancaster, that’s why your city representatives are against this,” Crist said. For details on Crist’s presentation, view the full 15-minute video above. (Video courtesy city of Lancaster’s website.) Previous related stories:

Palmdale Power Plant drawing support from elected officials, community leaders

Palmdale: Power Plant no threat to Air Force Plant 42

Palmdale responds to Power Plant controversy, yet again

Palmdale responds to hybrid power plant controversy, again

Palmdale responds to hybrid power plant controversy

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55 comments for "VIDEO: Lancaster opposition continues over Palmdale Power Plant"

  1. First , thanks to AV Times for publishing the real news ( info we hardly ever get from AV Press ) and for giving the people a forum in which they can discuss and present their own thoughts and information ( something that is difficult to do at any town or council meeting).

    Since this is a ” post comment” section I will be as brief as possible in order to get some information out there as quickly as possible……

    Think of what it means to have “power”. Does freedom give you power ? Can power be obtained through manipulation and control? Many years of research and lots of $ have been spent on this very subject and was found total control of people, places and resources = POWER= $$$$. In other words the ability to control what people think, where people live, where they work, what they buy, eat, etc means huge monitary gain for those doing the controlling. In order for this to work however, people must not be told what is really going on, that they are,In fact, being lied to and manipulated into accepting this pre-planned agenda. Think about reasons for war, housing , taking of property and resources, medical, education etc.

    I have lived in this area my whole life. In the late sixties the farmers were told there was no water and that they had to leave their farms as the area became of better use as a military weapons testing ground ( deep water well use for testing weapons). People who lived in this area eventually became sick as everything ( water , land) became contaminated. The government knew but people were not told and were not compensated for sickness or loss of property. Area was supposed to be cleaned up and what we got was chlorinated water that brought new health concerns while they continued the ” research” projects ( more medical)to continue ways to gain more control over resources for big $$$. Now people are a ” resource as well. These ” energy ” projects have been going on for a long time. Doesnt anyone see the black smoke that encircles the valley in the eveni g? why gas and electric ( and now wAter) prices fluctuate so much ? For lack of time and spAce check out

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  2. Here’s the deal with Rex Parris.

    He loves to shoot off his mouth and does it constantly, usually causing problems.

    Now, if you don’t hear from him for a while, watch out. Something’s going on in the back room that will eventually become public.

    So, either way, he’s a problem for the Antelope Valley.

  3. Does anyone out there or at AV Times know how to retrieve information that was submitted but not published on the site? This information is very important / credible and needs to be seen / read by as many people as possible. It should not be suppressed.
    I will not give up trying to get the message/ truth out to the public. I am actually more determinated/ motivated now more than ever to see it gets done. Within the next few days I will site some good references such as books and Internet sites that will educate you about this and many other topics that will help explain what is really going on.

    • Maybe you should start your own blog and post your information there. Then you don’t have to worry about it getting suppressed. Start with a Google email address and then sign in to Blogger. You can post all of your information there if it’s not getting posted here.. which seems highly unlikely. but ok..

    • yes please post the information you found on the Internet.there is a lot of giid information on the internet. I saw on the Internet that the earth was flat. we have been lied to. yes yes please post your research.thankyou Maria paesano

  4. Spent six hours writing vital information that I feel should be made public yet gets blocked, taken or disappears. Today was no different . After spending all that time writing I was denied access to submit to the public confirming once again that everything I say or that has been said by others who have been discredited or worse IS ALL TRUE. Believe me IT’S UGLIER THAN UOU KNOW PEOPLE!

    • It’s likely that you have too many URL (http://..) in the post and the automated filter system prevents it from being posted. Maybe you typed so much you exceeded the limit of the post form. (Yes, it is possible)
      I really don’t think the staff at The AV Times would prevent you from posting because you somehow have the inside track on what is going on with the PPP.. Whether it’s for or against it.

    • grrr… see..
      “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
      I got that for just putting 1 url reference in my post…
      don’t put hyperlinks in the content and it wont get held or deleted.

  6. Why doesn’t the Mayor or a Councilmember from Palmdale rebuttal??? Councilman Crist made valid points.

    I’d like to learn more and get their side of it and hopefully a represenative from the EPA/PUC/ or Universirty Expert could also talk about the power plant.

    If not Lancaster should invite experts to a public meeting to speak on it for the people of AV.

    • It’s been rebutted over and over by John Mlyner, the Communications Manager of Palmdale. But, as you can see, Crist and Parris and others continue to make statements of so-called ‘facts’ without attribution to any sources, studies or reports. If one statement is debunked, they make up another one and another and another.

      And, for some reason, they don’t get challenged in the AV Press or TWC 3 news interviews.

      Drive out to the proposed plant site and see for yourself. It’s desolate and not across the street from homes and whatnot. They are quite a distance away. Far and away.

      I think they should put the turbines of a power plant right next to Rex Parris and let his hot air spin ’em to provide electricity for all of California. They could also harness the energy from his hand waving.

      If you read Parris’s and Crist’s exaggerated comments and then go look at the site for yourself, you’ll be scratching your head wondering WTF?

      Isn’t the site actually in ‘north central Palmdale’? Is Crist trying to say Palmdale is lying.

      There is only 1 statement having anything to do with the emissions. Why should Crist care what Palmdale paid for or sold the plant for? The same with the other statements in his list. They needn’t concern Lancaster. They are just made up complaints in order to ‘create’ a list but most are filler or irrelevant to Lancaster.

      I see Crist left out references to Plant 42. What happened to those complaints? He’s the worst spokesman for this.

      • I just think the Mayor or council member should rebuttal this is their baby and not use some face person employee who answers to no one vome election time.

        • Oh, please. Mayor Ledford has responded many times to the outright lies from Parris and Crist. But, he has other tasks.

          It’s John Mlyner’s job to provide information to the media which he does.

          Now, do you have everything understood?

      • Ha ha Will,you do make me laugh.Seriously,do you remember as a kid when you did something bad you would try to deflect attention onto someone else,like your brother or sister? Maybe that is what is going on here,they know what thy have been up to with AV Hospital,so are deflecting attention onto Palmdale.
        Not working though,now they’ve angered George .

        • When is Parris not up to no good? I think I wrote here a while back that there was something fishy goin’ on that we didn’t know about yet. Maybe it was the hospital issue?

          Heck, there’s probably other stuff we don’t know about just yet. When he spoke about the hospital on TWC 3, he didn’t seem quite his ol’ arrogant self, kinda defensive and wimpy.

          Stay tuned to the Parris Comedy Hour.

          • GPOL has the latest on this,also his facebook page where he states this has only been discussed for two weeks. More slipsliding and backstepping going on,interesting read.
            Got a feeling George spanked him.

          • Ol’ REXLAX said he only knew 5% of the information and we should wait before making any decsions.

            Dr. Farrukh said on TWC 3 that things were being kept secret because there is lots of competition in this market segment.

            Do ya think these 2 got together to make completely opposite arguments? I guess it makes sense them.

            BTW, sikntired, no wonder REXLAX hates GPOL. They keep an eye on him.

      • Thats called stirring ye olde shinola in my book.King Parris and Crist (or Christ to those who get their pockets padded by the gentleman), well, how can I say this, “Jackie Treehorn pulls a lot of weight…” bout the best I could do. You see they ate what you call to powerful, I suggest that you watch an old John Wayne western (REAL OLD) called Riders of Destiny, mayor parris is Kincaid. PLEASE GO WATCH THIS MOVIE ITWAS EVEN FILMED OUT HERE ENDS THE STORY IS ABOUT THE ANTELOPE VARIETY AND AN EVIL RICH LANDOWNER!

        • Thanks,got it on my kindle,will watch it tonight.Can you tell us if he gets it in the end?

        • Well, well, what an interesting little movie.John was looking pretty good.Some great lines there, “I own all the water in the Antelope Valley “,”Kincaid you’ve got the soul of a snake “,”Kincaid got the law behind him, sign up and take your licking, ”
          and this one, my favorite – “I’ll get enough to blow it all to China.”
          Plus the 3 stooges action, too funny.Nice to watch a movie where the good guys win.

    • There are real questions that to this day go unanswered. At best they have been marginalized and redirected by pointing toward documents that in no way answer the original questions.
      Saying “So and So answered that already.” or “It’s in the EPA reports.” is not answering the question .. especially when it in fact is not even mentioned in any documentation or (my favorite).. contradicted directly by other documents and statements from the city.
      I will however say that I will put the carbon capture argument to rest because it is addressed in the reports – Funny thing is NO ONE – NOT ONCE has provided a direct answer to this issue even though it was easy enough to find in the documentation.
      I don’t agree with the report on the matter, but since no one is qualified to challenge the reasons for dismissing it – that is all that will come of it. Specifically there are affordable systems to convert CO2 to … Dry Ice or stored in temporary vaults to be transported to permanent locations by rail or truck at a fraction of the cost of building a pipeline to existing storage facilities. Also they neglected to consider Bakersfield and Boron as storage and usage locations both of which are closer than the reservoirs cited in the report. Not a perfect solution to use carbon producing transportation to store CO2, but cleaner than just releasing it into the atmosphere.

      The point is that this is just one real example of legitimate, intelligent questions effectively being ignored.

      So:
      1. Will the City of Palmdale own the Power Plant?
      2. Will the community see a reduction in energy rates?
      3. Will the owner and operator of the Power Plant be held to the conditions that were presented to the community when the project was proposed? Routes for supply lines, local employees for construction and prevailing wages, etc.?
      4. Why did the City spend $19 million for 600 acres and then only sell 50 acres to the plant owners when the plans call for over 300 acres to be used?
      Answers to these questions with supporting evidence could more than silence many skeptics.

  7. For the first time ever, I drove east of Sierra Highway on Avenue M to check out this power plant contretemps.

    I pulled over and looked around. I think this is where Alfred Hitchcock filmed the crop-duster scene in North by Northwest. There was hardly anything in any direction except for some scattered buildings here and there on the north side of M.

    To listen to Bigtoe and Little Rex, I expected to see thousands of homes right on Avenue M awaiting the killer fumes. I needed binoculors to see any houses close to the proposed site.

    Oh, well. People lie and BS all the time and they live among us.

    • “They’ve located this power plant on the front door steps of the city of Lancaster”
      Slight exaggeration?

  8. Right now, Thursday afternoon, there is a Southern California Edison alert due to high electrical usage.

    I have the A/C cycling program and they shut off my A/C compressor for a while today and yesterday or the day before.

    So, the idea of a new power plant sounds good.

    • Sounds great in theory, unfortunately the first electrical connection will be at the power station in Acton, and will only benefit customers South of there. But somehow I suspect you already knew that.

      • Barry Bigtoe, at your next flat earth meeting, maybe you can have a guest speaker from an electric company to talk to you about electricity and how the grid works.

      • There was high energy usage, that caused a flex alert. A power plant anywhere will help on these kind of days. As long as the grid holds up.

        But, you knew that. From the first I heard of the proposed plant I was aware that it wasn’t for Palmdale residential users to lower their rates. I looked for that statement.

        • Stop with the crazy talk William. At the flat earth meetings things like this aren’t discussed.

  9. There is a tremendous amount of vacant land SOUTH of Palmdale. The High Tension Lines and the huge Gas Main come from the South anyway, so they would be shorter. Prevailing wind in the AV is from the SW to the NE. This means the steam plume will drift to the North East, and cast a shadow across much of Lancasters East side. Pollution or not, Palmdale would be outraged if it was Lancaster doing it to them. A Power Plant is a fine idea. Locate it away from people like all the other Power Plants. Put it directly East of Plant 42, oh wait, the massive steam plume WOULD interfere with air traffic. (Actually NW winds WILL put the plume across the runway). Or put it south of Palmdale, so that way when it leans North and shades half of Palmdale, your dog is dumping on your lawn, and not your neighbors.

    • It is good to see that at least one person besides Marv believes in the ridiculous 6 mile high cloud that will block planes. They must have talked about that cloud at the last flat earth society meeting.Channel 3 talked about the location and why it was chosen. Maybe at the next flat earth meeting they can show you the tape. What the hell is in the water in Lancaster?

      • Google “power plant steam plume”, then click Images. I don’t know who said 6 miles, but many of these photos hit one mile. And being less then 800 yards from a runway, a wind blowing South would impact planes taking off. I’m sure Channel 3 showed you everything they wanted you to know, that makes you one library card short of an idiot.

        • Wind blowing SOUTH????

          Make uppa you mind.

          Wouldn’t that blow the horrible plume TOWARDS Palmdale?

          So, why is Lancaster whining?

          I think the wind is blowing from your direction.

  12. No Power Plant in the A.V. Solar panels and wind; we have plenty. How dare Palmdale City Government desire to profit on the health of hundreds of thousands of resident’s!
    I sincerely thank Mr. Crist for researching and publishing the truth. The choice of location alone is a outrageous.

    I wonder whether the citizens of Palmdle, Ca are aware of the purchase and sale at a loss. Who authorized these transactions and are the appropriate documents available to the public as is Federal Law.

    For all we know the power plant will be taken over by a Japanese company as the one is already housed at the Boeiing Bldg and hiring….I saw this on Channel 3.

    • I saw this on Channel 3…Summit is the owner of the plant. They are from Seattle not Japan. You may wish to get your info from sources more reliable and honest than Marv Crist and Rex Parris.

      • He said “For all we know”. You are very critical for someone with poor reading retention skills.

        • “For all we know….” That’s the problem with this discussion. It’s like a Fox News report where the anchor says “Some say……” and treats the following statement as a fact.

          For all we know, you are romantically involved with farm animals. See how that works.

          • Both the sheep and I agree that the spoken word on news reports slide by, easily reduced to a short mental summarys, and Faux often works that to their advantage. But the printed word is there, unchanging, and in your face. You just have to pay attention while reading it, especially if you’re planning a snarky reply.

          • The ‘For all we know…” preceding the comment deserved criticism but that went right over your head before you wrote your snarky reply to Son of the Anti Rex.

            You speak the same kind of language as Parris and Crist- made up stuff.

    • Yu need to be more worried by the “anchor baby” deal at AVHospital,more of a threat in the long run.

  13. WAKE UP LANCASTER! What a load if crap. I’m pissed Crist wants to kill jobs. People who have to commute to LA cause more pollution with their cars. Let’s see how concerned he is when he wants to ram a battery plant down our throats. BYD has a bad track record. Look it up. WAKE UP LANCASTER!

    • Marvin, If things are that bad I suggest you move out of the A.V. We got along fine before you and we know you are the stooge for his lord high mayor Parris. Go now run far. We were here before you and we will be even better without you.

    • To: Wake up
      I Googled “BYD has a bad track record” and Google automatically struck out “bad” due to lack of results. A Battery plant sounds like jobs to me, and it’s at the North end of town so Palmdale shouldn’t care.

      • That’s strange. When I googled BYD and battery pollution I read about protests, fires and all sorts othings. The Chinese are smart. They send their toxic battery manufacturing to a city with a mayor dumb enough to take it in. Palmdale might not care about the pollution but the rest of us who live here do.

  14. Are you serious? Very weak basis for opposition to a plant that will actually clean the bad air from Central Valley and contain any emissions completely at the site. This is entirely within the City of Palmdale and is fully approved at the State and Federal levels of Government. So now these nay-sayers are smarter than the experts? 800 high paying construction jobs for 3 years would not help the City of Lancasters unemployment rate of 15.5%. A 20 million dollars spent by the power plant owners to connect the recycled water systems in Lancaster and Palmdale is not good for the Antelope Valley because the nay-sayers would rather have the taxpayer pay for it in higher fees. If that is it, then these so called mouthpieces need to pack it in and do their homework.

    • A power plant is a great idea. Put it South of Palmdale because a water line going South is so much cheaper then a Gas AND High Tension Power line going North. Problem is, that would give Palmdale the plume and fallout, and the town would lynch city hall.

      • Another Marvin Crist disciple who refuses to read up on this or watch the TV news.

      • I’m surprised with your brilliance that you didn’t suggest a plant site on the San Andreas Fault, y’know that thing that runs through the south valley.

        But, you knew that.

  15. YES, it costs money, but a carbon capture system could in fact be integrated into the plant and eliminate/recapture the vast majority of the pollution it is expected to produce. It costs a large fortune to retrofit a power plant after it’s built, but only a fraction of that cost is required when it’s integrated during construction.
    In fact part of the Clean Air Act requires carbon capture systems to be installed older power plants by 2020.

    There is even a small scale example of a viable, affordable and implemented system already in the A.V. I know specifically that a Brewery in Lancaster doesn’t purchase Nitrogen even though they have some beers on Nitrogen tap.. How do they do it and how is it affordable for a small privately owned brewery? Nitrogen generators.. Some systems like used at the brewery are nothing more than a membrane cartridge system that takes in air on one end and spits out 99.99% pure nitrogen and oxygen from two other ports. Google it. look on eBay.. Parker makes a bunch of these for both aviation and commercial applications.

  16. I’m pissed this is being parked on our doorstep and we’re being made to suck it up! If you want more power make it GREEN dammit! No Power Plant in the AV!