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Man shot dead in deputy-involved shooting in Lancaster

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The man shot by deputies died in a dirt field near Avenue K-4 and 30th Street West in Lancaster. (Photo by LUIS MEZA)
The man shot by deputies died in a dirt field near Avenue K-4 and 30th Street West in Lancaster. (Photo by LUIS MEZA)

LANCASTER – A man was shot dead during a deputy-involved shooting in Lancaster late Friday night and “a semi-automatic assault pistol was recovered next to his body,” authorities said.

The shooting happened around 11:35 p.m. Friday, July 3, as detectives from the Gang Unit, Operation Safe Streets Bureau, “were patrolling in the 3100 block of West Avenue K-4 in Lancaster,” according to a news release from the Sheriff’s Information Bureau.

“They stopped their patrol vehicle to contact the suspect and his friend. As the deputies exited their patrol vehicle, the suspect, a Hispanic man, took an assault pistol out from under his jacket and a deputy-involved shooting took place,” the news release states.

The suspect was shot in the upper torso and pronounced dead at the scene, and the suspect’s friend ran away across a dirt field and out of view, sheriff’s officials said in the news release.

“The suspect’s handgun, a semi-automatic assault pistol, was recovered next to his body,” the news release states.

Deputies conducted a perimeter search for several hours to find the second suspect, but it was unclear Saturday morning if the second suspect had been found.

No deputies were injured during the incident.

The man shot dead by deputies has not yet been identified pending next of kin notification, coroner’s officials said Saturday morning. There is no further information available at this time.

Anyone with information about this incident is encouraged to contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s Homicide Bureau at 323-890-5500.

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UPDATED 7.10.15: The man fatally shot has been identified as 46-year-old Arturo Lopez, according to the coroner’s office.

147 comments for "Man shot dead in deputy-involved shooting in Lancaster"

  1. Anyone here defending this thug who pulled a gun on a cop is an idiot. Yeah go ahead, carry your gun, protect yourself and your family, but if you pull out a gun on police you will die.

    I am really happy with the Sheriff department in the AV. They are quick to respond and don’t play around. Crime in Lancaster has gotten worse and will continue to get worse unless the thugs leave or get their act together and get a life. We need more patrol units.

    Every summer some BS happens here. And I am tired of it.

    • I can’t wait until these war planes they fly over us everyday enslave this town and force everyone to get real familiar with FEMA :) all you people will deserve it

      • LaMasonia, you are 110% correct in that assertion. That is exactly what these surveillance aircraft are about.

  2. If a child-molesting serial-killer was bred with a cockroach, the result would STILL have more integrity than your average AV cops.

  3. Cops get off on this stuff. He probably already went out and got his tattoo commemorating the shooting to show off to his cops buddies whom also have a tattoo for the same reason. Nothing is lower than a pig.

  4. He was just walking down the street as usual in the summer. I knew the guy he was no gangmember or criminal just another citizen walking down the street. These trigger happy cops just roll up on people guns out for no reason its sad that he lost his life for no reason. I am tired of all these rude comments he was a family man a christian didnt deserve this and the cops are under investigation.

  5. Where the [removed] is his identity!? After more than 2 days no [removed] names ? ,they’re probably not gonna release [removed] till they find the other suspect since he knows what really happened

    • Twenty to one odds the Hispanic “man” is a juvenile and they don’t want to say “can’t release the name because…” so they are just hoping to wait out the interest.

    • it was death by cop….he was going thro a divorce…I have family that said one of their own was killed by cops in AV…july 3rd

    • The man shot has had problems with the local law enforcement ever since his ex wife began dating one of those local cops. Eyewitness said he had both hands up and was shot 5 times in the back and twice in the head. The other man that ran away was his own 12 year old son. Shot by the police gang thats been tormenting you for months in cold blood…… I would have ran too.

      • The only faster way to get killed than having your ex get involved with a cop is to start dating a cop’s ex.

        • Of course what you read from someone’s comment is true, because it’s social media. Sad commentary.

          • Why would anyone come on here and pretend they knew the guy if they didn’t? I take everything with a grain of salt, because even people that knew the guy, unless they were there they don’t know exactly what happened…but in general the ex wife hooks up with a deputy and you become a selective enforcement target is certainly realistic. I’ve been threatened with selective enforcement for less, and I’m fairly certain I’m not the only person reading this who can say THAT.

  6. If you were carrying a gun with no bullets and someone shot you, would your friends say “yeah, no doubt Greg pulled his empty gun on them, he’s stupid like that”?

    Or would they think that maybe, just maybe, the guy who shot you found your gun after the fact and said “phweeew, he turns out to have a gun, at least I don’t have to go through that waistband nonsense.”

  7. GREAT JOB O,S,S IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN ONE THUG LESS. The septic tank AV is out of control and has been for many years everyone should support the hard working LEO’s trying to make things better.

    • Crime rate is average. Either just admit your bloodlust by proxy just loves to see people shot down in the streets or find something real to pin your support for law enforcement on.

      • Well the average isn’t acceptable.

        The Antelope Valley is a cesspool of people lacking basic morals and decency.

        • If “average isn’t acceptable” then I suppose you better move. Hermits experience very little crime. Find a mountaintop cave or deserted island would be my suggestion.

          • Tim Scott Why don’t you stop telling everyone else to move and move yourself. We don’t need your law enforcement hatred and know it all attitude.

          • Why would I want to move? I’m not the one living in the “our crime rate is astronomical the sky is falling, woe is us” fantasy. I consider Palmdale pretty ordinary, but nothing wrong with ordinary so I may as well stay. I do avoid going to Rexville…er…Lancaster though.

          • Palmdale’s ordinary? Tim I think you need to take some time and do some traveling.

            When reading Tim’s post one should consider the source

          • How much traveling do you suggest Mark? I’ve lived in five cities in California, and one or more cities in six other states…and visited plenty more. Is there some magic number that you think is going to “bring me around” to your unsupported point of view?

          • California is the main problem. i spent 34 years in Av and moved out of state about 2 years ago and i will never return to the great state of Ca.

          • Of the states I’ve lived in the only one I’d consider to go back to would be Hawaii, but it’s just too hard to maintain family contact when there is no option but flying.

      • The crime rate for Lancater/Palmdale is not “average”.

        FBI Crime Stats indicate the following:

        The crime rate in Lancaster is considerably higher than the national average across all communities in America from the largest to the smallest, although at 28 crimes per one thousand residents, it is not among the communities with the very highest crime rate. The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in Lancaster is 1 in 36. Based on FBI crime data, Lancaster is not one of the safest communities in America. Relative to California, Lancaster has a crime rate that is higher than 63% of the state’s cities and towns of all sizes.
        The violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these crimes in Lancaster is one in 185.
        Property crime is 22 per one thousand population. This makes Lancaster a place where there is an above average chance of becoming a victim of a property crime, when compared to all other communities in America of all population sizes. Property crimes are motor vehicle theft, arson, larceny, and burglary. Your chance of becoming a victim of any of these crimes in Lancaster is one in 45.
        Lancaster has one of the highest rates of motor vehicle theft in the nation according to FBI crime data. This is compared to communities of all sizes, from the smallest to the largest. In fact, your chance of getting your car stolen if you live in Lancaster is one in 385.

        • Ahhhhh…finally someone who will actually take the time to put together an argument instead of just making woe woe woe noises and calling me names. Thanks.

          Now, to turn to your argument…

          YES, if you look at the average crime rate of all communities, Lancaster and Palmdale are certainly higher. I do not encourage anyone to think that crime rates are expected to be the same in Mayberry, where everyone knows Sheriff Andy personally and Barney Fife keeps his one issued bullet in his shirt pocket instead of his gun as they are expected to be in Chicago. But when you use “average crime rate in communities” that is what you get. Mayberry crime rate is zero, Chicago is 562, average of those two is 281…but that number is meaningless.

          The meaningful number in crime rates is based on individuals, not communities. The fifty people in Mayberry cannot count for as much in determining the average as the millions of people in Chicago do…but when you use the two community values that’s effectively what you are doing. When you average across the population of individuals instead of communities the crime rate facing the average American is about 230 per ten thousand. In Lancaster it is about 275, and in Palmdale it is about 250. Both these numbers are well within the established range considered average. Generally something around 450 to 500 is where the range considered to be “high” begins, and we aren’t even close.

          Saying “the crime rate is higher than 63% of California cities and towns OF ALL SIZES” is pretty meaningless. Lancaster is BIGGER than 93% of the cities and towns in California (and that is old data…I would be surprised if that isn’t more like 96% now). How does the crime rate in Lancaster compare to the crime rate in Pixley? WHO CARES? In Pixley you can’t get mail delivery, you have to have a box at the post office…and the boxes have LETTERS instead of NUMBERS because they only have like twenty. The crime rate in Pixley is pretty much zero because none of the fifty residents wants their father to catch them committing a crime. But those hundred people don’t really have much impact on the national averages determined by 330 million Americans.

          • Your comments are inaccurate and misleading. Your “statistics” do not hold up to recognized nomenclature. Further, analogies based on “Mayberry” are ineffectual in an intelligent dialog as the aforementioned city is fictitious. Published FBI statistics are the nationally recognized data sets to categorize crime.

            https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

            For like sized cities Lancaster is #2 in crime for California.

            Salinas = population of 144,242 / crime rate of 8.06
            Lancaster = 148,632 / 6.06
            Palmdale = 146,819 / 5.67
            El Monte = 121,884 / 4.92
            Hayward = 144,509 / 4.51
            Escondido = 140,662 / 4.24
            Pasadena = 144,496 / 3.83

            Combining Lancaster and Palmdale populations and then running comparisons to similar populations in California would see Lancaster/Palmdale place a solid #3, higher than Riverside or Santa Ana.

            Oakland = 409,723 / 15.3
            Stockton = 292,047 / 13.81
            Lancaster/Palmdale = 295,451 / 11.73
            Bakersfield = 333,458 / 6.31
            Riverside = 301,859 / 4.8
            Santa Ana = 340,240 /4.44
            Anaheim = 338,492 / 3.43
            Chula Vista = 229,060 / 2.89
            Fremont = 205,477 / 2.37
            Modesto = 203,890 / 6.86
            San Bernardino = 199,214 8.15

            Instead of hyperbole, perhaps you should reinforce your argument – or have the intellectual honesty to recognize you are in error.

          • Just for the record, we use the same source.

            Meanwhile, whatever happened to our previous exchange of comments to produce this “do over” I would think someone who wanted to talk about “intellectual honesty” or “recognized nomenclature” in statistics would have taken a moment to fix their GLARING error that was already pointed out.

            You can’t just add two populations together and then add their crime RATES together and claim it represents ANYTHING. The crime rate for the combined Lancaster/Palmdale population can be approximated by AVERAGING the two numbers, since the two populations are about the same size.

          • Please do not combine Lancaster and Palmdale. They are not the same. San Francisco is not Oakland. Ventura is not Oxnard. South Lake Tahoe is not North Lake Tahoe. Pasadena is not South Pasadena. Hollywood is not West Hollywood.

          • Why is the shouting is necessary? Glaring errors are only from your side. In stats, you need to pay attention to standards… Are you prepared to “average in” the documented registered sex offenders in Lancaster too?

            Lancaster = 384
            Palmdale = 199
            El Monte = 149
            Hayward = 261
            Escondido = 173
            Pasadena = 110

            If you have a problem with published crime data, have a conversation with the FBI…

            As it seems some people have major problems “combining” Lancaster and Palmdale, I’m just as comfortable with recognizing they are rated 2 & 3 in above average crime rates.

            Regardless of whether you choose to admit it or not, the High Desert will not be at the top of any desirable communities in which to live anytime soon. It’s pity as once the AV was a wonderful place to live, work and raise kids.

          • It always amuses me when people talk about how “the AV was a great place to live back when hardly anyone lived here.” If living here was so great how come hardly anyone was doing it?

    • He was no thug he just got custody of his boys for the record he was shot six times and once in the head… This man was a loving FATHER. This investigation goes a lot deeper then what is being said STOP believing everything you read there are corrupted cops out here so who are the real thugs out here and there was never a divorce…So before “ANYONE” deciceds to comment any bad or insulting comments about my cousin make sure you have your facts straight and not just opinions!!!

  8. He pulled an assault pistol. Nonetheless, a pistol was pulled. The term assault pistol is very simple. Think of an assault rifle, now think of your Pappy’s .22. The first is made to open up lead supremacy to whatever the target may be. The second is used in a, normally, precise shot usage where overwhelming amount of rounds down range is not necessary.

    Think of a pistol. Clint Eastwood & Bruce Willis use these “Pistols.” Now think of Reagan’s secret service entourage. That famous picture of the attempted assassination. If you read the Ca Gun Laws, you will see that an assault pistol, along with banned shotguns and rifles, is very well defined.

    This guy was packing a piece that could, when properly used, overwhelm the ability of the local police just by rate of fire. To those who cannot understand that such a term has been around for a long time. It is not a made up concept to further limit you civil rights, but used to (try to)prevent another Hollywood Shootout.

    I support gun RIGHTS. But having a Skorpion .22 or Intratech or Cobray has been outlawed here in the state for a LONG TIME! Body cameras are needed because what have they to hide. It will provide lots of evidence for the officer. It will omit room for speculation.

    Thank you local sheriff deputies! I still say ditch the LEAPS platform and hire more professionals on foot!!

    • It will provide lots of evidence for the officer, and be coincidentally not turned on whenever their testimony differs from the citizen’s account. Count on it.

    • A pistol was never pulled after murdering him remind everyone shot numerous times in his chest and then shots to his head that killed him the spot turned him over in the dirt face down to cuff him and you have the nerve to say thank you to the sheriffs uh get you facts straight you living in wonder wonder land unless you’re a cop yourself then you are living your wonder land and all law reinforcements should be mentally evaluated and retrained 100 more times or just fired

  10. The AV just got better with one thug out from the streets, yeap, we have 3761 more to go.
    Keep the good job going LASD.
    soon the citizens from the AV will able to walk the streets without fear of these criminals If the sheriff keep doing this great job!
    Yes, we need more sheriff s like this so we can finish we all this thugs soon.

    • S in this fascist fantasy of yours once they finish executing all the “thugs”, who do you think they would start on next?

    • This kid wasn’t a thug. Who at the AV Times allowed such ignorance to be posted to their website? God doesn’t like ugly, and I would be curious as to what kind of mirror you look in daily because obviously the reflection that stares back at you is a far cry from the truth or what the rest of is see. UGLY! I’m glad that the victim’s family is strong and good people, qualities that you know nothing about. Hope you don’t have kids, would hate to think about you breeding more ignorance and lack of compassion into our already less than desirable community.

      • As I said before, the truth hurts.
        You may be as well a “good parent” of a criminal that’s why you jump all over when reading this.
        Yes I do have kids, my daughter graduated from UCLA and is working at the Hospital, my son joined the Marines and still there.
        So there is your answer as what I see when I look my self in a mirror.

        • Does your son in the marines defending the constitution know that you espouse trial free death squad fascism?

          • My son is been trainned to kill, I have to accept that it is his choice and Im happy and proud of that, same way your are happy with your “average crime rate in the AV”
            His goal is to become a cop, so criminals be aware!

          • Well, we can hope that the military will have a positive effect and overcome his upbringing.

          • Thanks for your good wishes.
            Believe me, I hope the same and I do have confidence on the USA military.

    • This man was no thug this man has a name and it isn’t thug he was a loving FATHER protected his nieces from a predator in Burbank years back but my cousin was no gang banger he was a family man that just got custody of his sons by court order

  11. How is it that u guys can post stuff when u dont even know the whole story?! Were u there? Do u know how the call came out? Do u know what they do every day? Do u know the stuff that happens when they are on duty? Do u know that sometimes they cant even eat cuz they are so busy? If it was ur mother calling 911… Would u be so skeptical to question, or just want them there?! I could go on and on. I understand ur cynical, Tim… But why so?! All in all, in comes down to protection… Protecting themselves, others, u and me. What would u be willing to do for protection, cuz i dnt see u wearing a badge.

    • They have been repeatedly investigated as a department, and to the best of my knowledge not a single investigation has come back with anything other than “yep, you guys are exactly the thugs you were reported as being.” Racial profiling. Excessive force. Every sort of abuse of a position of authority I’ve ever heard of elsewhere plus a few that I’d never seen before. So, yeah, I’m cynical.

      I was cynical enough to start with, because of exactly the argument you are trying to use, probably just because you hear it all the time. The whole “oh, but we must tolerate some abuses from those who protect us” argument is based on the false premise that we desperately need protection.

      The law enforcement community and associated enterprises overblow the fearmongering at levels that are absolutely bizarre, and people buy in. Look at the number of people who respond to every crime story with “gotta move out of this hell hole” when the statistical reality is that crime rates in the AV are average, at worst. Look at the number of people investing in “home security” systems without bothering to do the math and figure out that “a burglary every fifteen seconds” means that the odds of your house being burgled in a given year are like one in thirty thousand. And of course we have mayors who “invest” millions of taxpayer dollars in proof of concept law enforcement equipment leased from a crony’s company under the guise of “we need it to control the rampant crime in the streets”…that isn’t there.

      And every now and then a kid shooting a gun in the air on the fourth of July gets shot down in the streets during the investigation of a misdemeanor. Ask Rex, or any deputy, or the next telemarketer pitching you an alarm system, and they will tell you that a human life is a small price to pay to maintain the climate that they operate in.

      • No where does it say that the suspect was shooting a gun in the air for the 4th. The article refers to him as a man, not a teen or a kid. He was carrying a concealed weapon that could have cause considerable damage.

        There were 367 violent crimes in Lancaster alone over the last 6 months. 1630 property crimes over the same period. Lancaster has higher crime rate then many cities in Los Angeles.

        http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/lancaster/crime/

        • You don’t have to go all the way to Los Angeles, Lancaster has a higher crime rate than Palmdale. It also has a lower crime rate than many cities. That’s sort of inherent in being AVERAGE.

          I’ve never tried to claim Lancaster is some sort of crime free paradise. I just point out that it has an average crime rate whenever the “woe is us we are swamped with crime end of the world” crowd starts spouting their paranoid fantasies.

  12. As I sit here and read all of these comments it pisses me off to think that you so called law abiding citizens always think it’s a bad cop that did it !!!!
    The problem is your idiotic liberal attitude sucks rocks and you think everyone is a good person except for the badge !! Well up yours dumb ass you are totally wrong and live in a friggen fantasy world full of fairy tales what do you do for a living???? Flip burgers demanding $15.00 an hour probably not maybe your a waiter or even a sales person wake up and smell the carpet since all you righteous people think that child abuse is prevalent and young people have no respect for their elders and expect that shiny Lexus from daddy or your lifted truck this has turned out to be a a screwed up world I can guarantee that deputy shows some remorse for what he did but he is glad he got to go home to his family because some punk decided to think he was bulletproof well nope that wasn’t the result this valley is full of NON LAW ABIDING PEOPLE I work these streets I see it and hear it and it amazes me to see people think they can get away with the stuff they pull.
    This is why people think guns should be banned for the thugs and bangers not for the law abiding people that have them because they would not do this and if they did they would get the same if they made a bad decision which is exactly what this was on the deceased persons part no one to blame but himself his friend should have said don’t do it that is a bad decision… But instead he probably just encouraged him we don’t know that we were not there so to all of you sick individuals who are calling these cops murderers I challenge you to shut your big self righteous mouth since you did not see this unfold and just take your happy ass out there and encourage people to be law abiding citizens like yourself which I’m sure your sitting in your cozy little condo drinking your designer drink and smoking your weed contemplating sushi or pizza

    • Wyatt, I agree with you. I walked in those shoes for twenty years. Libs and criminals will never get it.

    • Thank you!! There is no reason to be walking down the street with a concealed weapon! Especially a weapon like that! I just don’t understand how some people can think this would be ok or a good idea. Not all cops are really bad, they’re not out to get us. I agree with Doc, libs are criminals will never get it.

      • So let’s authorize the cops to shoot anyone walking down the street so they can check them for concealed weapons. Great idea neens, though I suspect people who sometimes fall into that group known as “pedestrians” may not think so.

    • You’d have done the same thing? You mean carry a throw down gun just in case you shot an unarmed citizen? Join up then, I hear the LACSD is hiring.

      • Hey timmy, how many shootings has the lancaster and palmdale stations had EVER been involved in? When you get that number, compare that number to the savage on savage shootings just this year alone.

        • No way that I know of to get that number Joe, because like law enforcement organizations all across the country the LACSD refuses to divulge the information. Now, why do you think they would do that?

          I do know that when they shoot someone they almost always find that it was “necessary due to officer safety” and that there has been exactly ONE officer killed on duty in the AV…ever…so they seem pretty safe to me.

          • Hey Timmy. Ahahah. Youre EXACTLY wrong. ahahah. But hey its okay. Deputy Richard Hammack 1992 and Deputy Stephen Sorensen 2003 were great men and Deputies, those were just the 2 i looked up. I also looked up that there were a minimum of 10 shootings between civilians alone just THIS YEAR alone.
            But Timmy, what i suggest is you call your parole officer and have him violate you, cause youre an idiot. ahahah. Take care bud

          • Whoops. My bad. I’m gonna guess that’s one in Lancaster and one in Palmdale. I mistakenly assumed the memorial wall in the Lancaster station would be a “valley wide” thing, not just limited to Lancaster.

            Meanwhile, with this terror inspiring TWO deputies lost, you think we should just let them run amok and kill as they see fit…is that the gist of your position here?

          • Joe, Rich Hammack was a close friend of mine….as were a few other names you may have seen. I worked with him early on in the Jail out there. Great guy! Glad his partners ventilated the puke who shot him.

            Tim, only one Deputy shot? They seem pretty safe is because of their training and tactics. pretty simple….”I go home to my family or dirt bag does”? I will win every time.

      • Yea because deputies and detective always carry a throw down just in case they get into a situation where they decide to kill a know gang member/community contributing citizen with a criminal background and a history of being a dipshit. You type of people are a disgrace humanity and are nothing but a contributor to the rinse and repeat effect. Embarrassing that we are both hominids

  15. So, wait a minute…. were the cops getting out of their car with their guns pulled, already? Why was the Hispanic guy a “suspect”? If, they didn’t have their guns out of the holsters, how did they get the first shot, IF, the man had already pulled out his “assault pistol”? Lots more to this report!

    • Given the total lack of credibility of our local deputies I see no reason to think the weapon found is anything but a throw down gun provided by one of them. The gang unit in particular take care of their own first.

      • Hey Timmy, given the lack of your credibility, once again you just throw stuff out there and hope that it sticks. No facts, just your paranoia showing in ALLLLL of your endless comments. You need to retrain your brain!

        • What did I throw out hoping it sticks? I said that I don’t see any reason not to think these deputies used a throw down gun. I don’t. Whether they did or didn’t I make no claim of knowing, because I, just like you, have no way of knowing. NO ONE has any way of knowing. The difference between me and you is that I admit I don’t know, while no doubt you “just know” that deputies never lie.

          • “What did I throw out hoping it sticks? I said that I don’t see any reason not to think these deputies used a throw down gun”.

            Tim, you just accused them. Check your mind at the door. You obviously don’t get it and forget your own posts.

          • I claim no way of knowing if they did or didn’t. Seems to me that you are claiming to know one way or the other though.

          • Sounds like Mr. Tim has already convicted all cops, forever. Why don’t we wait for some facts to arrive. It’s a bit farfetched to think that all cops carry some unregistered weapons on them all the time, you know just for this type of situation. All citizens must be eliminated in their minds and they’re just out to kill us all. Sounds totally legit!

          • Who said anything about them being “out to kill us all”? A throwdown gun is just in case they make an honest mistake. No one would want them to lose their job over an honest mistake, right? Of course, in modern times they don’t need one because “he was reaching near his waistband” has become an acceptable standard for calling a justified shoot.

          • Your scenarios of throw down guns are idiotic. Stop watching so many movies. They have screwed up your brain.

            Of course, you can’t back them up either with real cases of throw down guns being used. If you can, post some links. Otherwise you are another piece of trash in the AV.

      • My G*d, you’re an idiot! “Total lack of credibility”? Instead of showing your complete ignorance with each moronic statement, put your money where your mouth is and SIGN UP! BE A DEPUTY!! They ARE hiring, but then again, I sincerely doubt you’d be able to finish the application & they’d laugh you on your a** during the Psych evaluation. BUT, you’d be able to at least tell your PO that you actively sought employment!

        • If I were to put aside my conscience and take up professional thuggery, I would be self employed rather than sign on with the county…but thanks for thinking of me.

          I’m too old, by the way…at least so I would guess…and they don’t pay NEARLY enough for my time.

      • I agree with your statement because I am pretty sure everyone has at one point or another seen cops harrass many out here in the AV. There are a few good cops but unfortunately they take a silent step away from other bad cops and won’t say a word.

      • If it’s true that it was a Tech 9 then what deputy would have one just laying around to use for a plant weapon? Why would he plant an uncommon gun on a suspect if they wanted the kid to look like a run of the mill gangster in 2015? Was his ‘jacket’ really a suit coat featuring bolstered shoulder pads and the sleeves rolled up to his forearm? Was the guy also wearing a while collarless shirt and matching white loafers? What is this, Miami Vice circa 1989?
        They literally might as well have planted one of Doc Holiday’s nickel-plated Colt’s on the guy because it would have been just as believable that it was planted as a Tech 9..
        Now I’m not saying there aren’t Tech 9’s on the streets, but the California Department of Justice puts out an annual report of the types of guns most commonly used in shootings and the Tech 9 isn’t the go to weapon of choice. 9mm handguns are #1, but the Tech 9 is not even on the list.
        If someone wants to conspire, it has to be statistically significant to be believable in court. A Tech 9 isn’t the gun to use, unless this is Miami and we’re living in 1989.

        • Fair point…except for one problem…if that was in fact the gun that he HAD, then it would apparently be a realistic choice for a throw down weapon.

          Yes, I do find it ridiculous that he was out popping off rounds with a Tec-9 on the fourth of July in Lancaster California.

    • The sheriffs showed up with guns drawn because the suspects had a firearm….standard protocol when the sheriffs have a call regarding a shooting suspect. When the deputies showed up, guns drawn, the one guy turned into a cowboy and tried to draw on them while the other guy took off. The deputy very well could have shot the other guy in the back in the heat of the moment if he were “that kind of cop” but he didn’t. They let Aero find him.

      I live right where this happened. The article here is a bit misleading and the news release did not have the full details yet I’m guessing. A neighbor called the police because these guys were firing a gun into the air. those shots were clearly not semi-automatic firecrackers. Another neighbor said that these guys were in their backyard at some point.

      The other guy took off into a field near the J.P. Eliopulos Hellenic Center. Detectives from the Hollywood division came out to investigate the whole thing. The Lancaster station had a really busy night last night. It was constant.

      I flipped on the scanner around the time all of this was happening and could not believe the amount of calls….especially domestics. They also went after a drunk driver who was speeding down the wrong side of the road east on Avenue J….luckily that guy didn’t kill anyone. Crazy stuff….

      I know myself and my neighbors are grateful that no deputies were hurt. I appreciate them keeping an eye on things around here.

  16. This is my neighborhood, I literally live a matter of feet away from where this happened. The helicopters search light even lit up our backyard and the police were in front of our house blocking off the road looking for the man who took off. Within the past couple months some shady characters have started to show up. Just two weeks ago we had a feud going on between two houses where police had to show up two nights in a row because both sides were fighting and escalated to baseball bats and someone had a gun. Believe me, the sheriff’s were completely justified in shooting this guy. With the other situation, they all had their guns drawn but not one fired a weapon. They’re not trigger happy cops just looking to shoot or kill someone. Being someone who actually lives so close to this, I’m thankful and commend the officers for how they’ve handled themselves and these situations. I’ve talked to a few personally while they’ve been outside my house and every time, they just care about keeping people safe. This was NOT a situation of going after a minority (out here they are in the minority at all anyway), police brutality or anything else like we’ve all heard in the news the last two years. I’m glad that is one less bad guy we have to worry about in our neighborhood. We have alot of small children here, I’m glad they’re a little safer too. Lastly, I’m very grateful no officers were hurt during this crazy situation and I thank them for keeping us safe, because we’re the ones who live on this street.
    For those who don’t live here, who don’t actually know what’s been happening and changing here in this specific neighborhood, don’t jump to assumptions and hate on the cops just because you’ve heard of shootings in other parts of the state and country. Those things are not what occurred here last night, at all!

    • Soooo….how often are people shot dead while walking down the street in your neighborhood? When the cops aren’t the ones doing the shooting that is?

      • Well… U do live in the AV, so actually pretty cool often… Without deputies. Let me guess.. Ur a white collared male, with a low paying job? Only have these posts to keep u busy?! So sad.

        • Nah, actually I’m a former business owner who retired in my forties so I could just do whatever I feel like, but thanks for the concern.

          Meanwhile, the question was directed at miss “oh my neighborhood has gotten so bad”…who’s neighborhood there between K and L has been among the valley’s better addresses for a generation and as far as I remember hasn’t had anyone shot dead in the street OTHER than by cops in a decade or so…not you.

          • Addresses between K & L are the better addresses? Wow, your GPS is having some serious technical issues! “Mr Businessman”, take a look at the population of convicted sexual offenders alone, in this “upscale” area!

          • Tim Scott I don’t know where you get your information from but the area you are talking about might have better “addresses” or zip code but that does NOT make it a great area. Just a FYI there’s 2 HUD (kind of like section 8) apartment complexes over there and there’s crime of all kinds OFTEN. I know because I lived there for years. So happy I left before my children were old enough to get consumed by the low life trash. Yes there is good hard working people in those complexes trying to get their life together but there’s a lot of trash as well. So anyway get some FACTS before you spew your ignorance.

          • Tim, bro. I read A LOT of your comments.

            Sometimes your spot on, sometimes your ass is your mouth piece

            Just on this AV times site one can do research and realize people have been recently shot by other than sheriffs in the area.

            Hell a dude got shot with a crossbow off 27th and K-8, same corridor and area and no Sheriffs involved. Less than year ago and within a mile radius if I recall.

            And if you want to debate that incident wasn’t with a Firearm, kick bricks. Someone was still “shot” arguably a violent crime.

            Apologies for my grammar, just wanted to point out an inconsistency.

          • No problem Dude and jsyk…I’m willing to be corrected. I was thinking this address was in the older but nicer SFH area right there off of K and more out across from or maybe past the college…I had customers out there and it seemed nice enough…but since I retired I keep Lancaster as far off my tracks as possible so I’ll take your word on it.

    • I agree with you Nikki. I lived on that street and it seemed to only get worse. For law abiding citizens who want to work, raise a family, and be safe, the AV is not the place to do it anymore. I grew up in the AV and it has gone down hill. Thankfully I moved my family out of State and I couldn’t be happier. It’s so sad to see people argue over every article on this website. People really have nothing better to do. People like to post to every article and argue and put people down with their own [removed] opinions.

  17. The police just stopped to make contact? Why, would the man pull-out a gun? How convenient! The other man who got away, now, has to stay anonymous, as, he may be charged with that homicide! I’ll bet his story is nothing like the cops!

    • Do YOU live in this neighborhood or on this street? Probably not, so you most likely are also unaware about what’s been going on here, esp these past few weeks. Did YOU see the people from two houses fighting with each other that the cops had to called two nights in a row because the people decided to bring out baseball bats and guns? Well I do live here and I did see all of that happen firsthand. Now if the guy who took off tells the truth if/when he’s apprehended, his story will be the same as the cops. Just because there’s been alot of news coverage about cops and shootings/brutality across the nation, doesn’t automatically mean that’s what happened here. Because that’s not what happened at all. Even the night where all the people had weapons, when the cops showed up, they had their guns drawn but not a single officer fired his weapon. They didn’t use pepper spray, or anything else that can be used a weapon. They have been nothing but professional in our neighborhood and that’s what they were last night too. Stop attacking the cops when you don’t know what you’re talking about. They’ve been working hard to keep all of us safe and that’s what they did last night. Jumping to conclusions and assuming what happened when you weren’t even here will not create facts.

    • I believe the cops story. They would not have shot a man if they thought he was unarmed so they must have been able to see the gun, and since its unlikely he was walking down the street with a gun in his hand then he must have pulled it out.

      As for the 2nd person, what he can be charged with all depends on what he had in his possession, if he got away, then walking next to someone who pulls out a gun and gets shot and killed is not a crime.

  18. Antelope Valley Sheriff’s Department you suck you should be ashamed of yourself you’re just as a murder as anybody else would be considered a murder if they shot and killed somebodywho’s to say that the guy wasn’t pulling out the gun to drop it to let them know that he had one just because they seen the suspect pulled a gun out from underneath him doesn’t mean the guy was going to shoot at him was probably going to drop his weapon so he didn’t get shot at but these damn f****** police out your trigger happy just because they could get away with it in my eyes the cops are murdersmany to be penalized

    • A concealed weapon in itself is a crime. The deputies were part of a gang unit so chances are they knew who they were coming up on already. It states that he displayed a weapon. If he was truly just trying to let the deputies know he had a weapon, he should have put his hands out and told them so they could secure it. Instead he decided to show it. Stupid move. Should he have been shot? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, but neither were you.

    • Go on a ride-a-long and see first hand, or better yet, put yourself through a “shoot-don’t shoot” scenario and hope in the Nano second you make the right decision. We will have your grave stone handy. RIP

    • Yeah, if i had a gun on me (which your not supposed to have anyway) and deputies rolled up on me, id put me hands up and let them search and take it off me. Thats how you ensure you dont get shot. Stop watching movies, its not rocket science

  19. As a Fire Department peace officer (RET.), my heart goes out to our law enforcement officers. Thank you for your service and dedication to place your life on the line to protect and serve our communities. It looks like a clean shoot to me. The AV has become a warehouse for LA’s thugs and bangers… gee, you’re a dumbass and totolly ignorant. Read up on the real statistics and get your facts straight. Oh wait… continue to live in ignorant bliss and become a statistic yourself.

    • It always looks like a clean shoot when the only point of view available is the shooter’s. These deputies would tell the exact same story no matter what actually happened, and everyone knows that whether they admit it or not. Maybe it was a clean shoot, and maybe it wasn’t. The only investigation is going to be done by people that will patch any holes they find in the story the deputies are telling, so we will never know.

  20. F-in morons. “What about all the black people?” WTF ABOUT ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE! Now you question why wasn’t it a black person this time? You only want the publicity and the poor black people sympathy. How’s this, go back to where you were originated from and get your sorry sympathys from your people there! Anything to try to start a riot here! We got ENOUGH CRAP gere, so take it somewhere else! Where someone might actually feel sorry for your ass! Right on officers of the AV! 1 down 1500 left……

  21. I’ve said this so many times never take a knife to a gun fight and never go against the cops! Right or wrong never go against the cops! Unfortunately they shot to kill! And yes there are some cops who are trigger happy! Not all sheriffs are bad but they do have really good ones too.. Just like in everything the bad ones make the whole look bad! Same goes with people! White black brown and yellow the bad ones are what people tend to group them by race instead of just bAd humans! When a cop sees a gun unless your hand are high above your head , you will be shot! So people don’t run don’t fight just corooperate and you might live to see an other day! Right or wrong they have the badge! Good n bad in everything!

    • Part of how “the bad ones make the whole look bad” is that even the “good” ones are almost certain to participate in the blue wall of silence. If cops could be relied on to police THEMSELVES I would feel a whole lot better about them policing the rest of us.

        • I call 911 to get the fire department, or more often an ambulance. No need or desire to involve myself with cops.

          • You call the Fire dept and more often an ambulance. Nice neighborhood you live in. I’m guessing the cops didn’t create it.

            Yes, you are correct YOU have no need to call the cops. Trust me, they have no desire to help pukes like you….but will because they took an oath. If it were me protecting YOU, I would take the long route to your crappy little box.

          • I take care of a few old people, so yeah, sometimes I call an ambulance. I must admit that in fifty plus years I’ve never needed the fire department, but if I did I’d call them…and they do often show up when you call an ambulance and I’m always happy to see them.

            I don’t call cops, ever, so I don’t worry too much about what route they might take.

  22. Looks like the right person was shot…..and won’t cost us a trial, etc. Nice work LASO. Stay safe

  23. What the heck is a “semi-automatic assault pistol”? Something new made up for added drama, I guess. Ridiculous! Guess the writer doesn’t realize that we have enough sense to know that if that part of the story is blatantly dramatized, the rest of the story doesn’t hold much credibility. Oh, wait. That’s what the media’s job is. Sorry, my bad. I’m not for a minute saying the incident didn’t happen. It did. I live in the neighborhood. My son was out for a walk, not knowing what was going on, and he was stopped, questioned, and searched. No problem with that. He came directly home after that, as he should. I don’t have a problem with them naming the race of the person they are looking for. People need to know a description of who to watch out for. I don’t think it’s particularly necessary to put that in the headlines, but it is a part of the necessary info. The whole situation was scary. That doesn’t make it ok to overdramatize portions of the story.

    • “Guess the writer doesn’t realize that we have enough sense to know that if that part of the story is blatantly dramatized, the rest of the story doesn’t hold much credibility.”

      Funny thing. That term is quoted from the LACSD press release on the shooting. I think that you are exactly right, and the LACSD wanted to use the most blatantly overdramatized term they could think of to highlight the “danger” the officers were in and justify the shooting.

      The other funny thing is that hardly anyone seems to agree that such efforts on their part really damage their overall credibility. Most people seem to just eat up whatever the LACSD puts out and parrot away that the cops were fully in the right.

  24. So quick to jump to conclusions. How do you know what the LASO is saying is accurate ?
    With the corruption so prevalent in today’s Police depts, I take anything they say with a grain of salt.

  25. I was drive on Avenue L when the commotion started at appx 11:35pm. It was crazy I had to have seen at least 15-20 LASD cars surrounding the area. I’m glad no law enforcement officers were hurt during this incident as they are out there put their lives on the line for all of us. God Bless the LASD!

    • Google is your friend…

      Semi-Automatic Assault Pistol
      “Assault Pistol” means any of the following firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or manufacturer:
      (a) AA Arms AP-9 semiautomatic pistol;
      (b) Bushmaster semiautomatic pistol;
      (c) Claridge HI-TEC semiautomatic pistol;
      (d) D Max Industries semiautomatic pistol;
      (e) Encom MK-IV, MP-9, or MP-45 semiautomatic pistol;
      (f) Heckler and Koch semiautomatic SP-89 pistol;
      (g) Holmes MP-83 semiautomatic pistol;
      (h) Ingram MAC 10/11 semiauto pistol & variations including the Partisan Avenger & SWD Cobray;
      (i) Intratec TEC-9/DC-9 semiautomatic pistol in any centerfire variation;
      (j) P.A.W.S. type semiautomatic pistol;
      (k) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol;
      (l) Spectre double action semiautomatic pistol (Sile, F.I.E., Mitchell);
      (m) UZI semiautomatic pistol;
      (n) Weaver Arms semiautomatic Nighthawk pistol; or
      (o) Wilkinson semiautomatic “Linda” pistol.

  28. I praise the Deputies that put their lives on the line every single day. So happy that they took out this punk so he can no longer terrorize his neighbor’s.

    • you are referring to yourself as moron i would assume.

      it is unbelievable how all the ones against law enforcement are all the ones with criminal backgrounds, you are against them because you got caught.

      it is simple 1 he had a gun (Assault Pistol)

      2. he pulled it out

      3. he lost the quick draw contest

      4. families in pain

      these young adults need to wise up just because they have a gun does not mean they will win a gun battle, they are great when they shoot unarmed citizens but against trained professionals they lose.

      it is just sad. I pray for all involved.