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County settles Section 8 discrimination allegations

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LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted in a closed session Tuesday to pay an undisclosed amount to settle charges of discriminatory enforcement practices against Antelope Valley residents living in subsidized housing.

The details of the agreement involving the county, the Housing Authority and the U.S. Justice Department were not released but include both a monetary payment and “remedial measures.”

The board’s vote was 4-0 on the payment and 3-1 on the additional measures, with Supervisor Don Knabe absent and Supervisor Mike Antonovich casting the dissenting vote, according to a report supplied by the CEO’s office.

The settlement also includes the cities of Palmdale and Lancaster, “if it chooses to participate,” according to the report.

In April, the board agreed to pay $725,000 in victims’ compensation and civil penalties in the first phase of the settlement with the Justice Department over allegations that sheriff’s officials systematically targeted racial minorities in the Antelope Valley.

Under that legal agreement, the Sheriff’s Department did not admit or agree with the Justice Department’s findings, but agreed to provide “bias-free policing.”

The Sheriff’s Department also agreed to train its deputies on stops, searches and detention to end arbitrary searches and only allow stops warranted by “reasonable suspicion” rather than based on race, color, ethnicity, national origin, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, sexual orientation or perceived immigration status.

That settlement also required the Sheriff’s Department to ensure that investigations by housing authorities were not being used to harass residents or push them to relocate.

Federal officials accused the county, Lancaster and Palmdale in 2013, after a two-year investigation, of waging a campaign of discrimination against black residents, particularly those living in low-income subsidized housing.

Federal officials said some sheriff’s personnel in the Antelope Valley had engaged in a “pattern or practice of stops, searches and seizures and excessive force in violation of the Constitution and federal law.”

Investigators also found discrimination against African-Americans in violation of the Fair Housing Act.

That discrimination often took the form of teams of armed sheriff’s deputies accompanying county housing agency investigators on surprise inspections of Section 8 housing, looking for violations of housing rules.

Tenants told stories of being intimidated by as many as 10 armed deputies and Public Counsel said the crackdown created a climate of fear and hostility.

Some officials at the time argued the compliance checks were needed to root out abuses in the program.

In 2012, to settle a suit brought by the NAACP and other civil rights organizations charging discrimination against residents of federally subsidized housing, the Sheriff’s Department put a moratorium on “enhanced investigation agreements” with Palmdale and Lancaster and vowed to retrain deputies on the rights of Section 8 tenants.

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Monitoring team for Sheriff’s department introduced to AV community

Sheriff’s Department, DOJ settle AV civil rights case

County responds to federal lawsuit

 

59 comments for "County settles Section 8 discrimination allegations"

  1. For all you ppl dealing with loud disruptive sect 8’ers, simply start calling in complaints to the sheriff department MAKE SURE IT IS LEGITIMATE. They can’t do anything BUT after several complaints the owner of the rental will start getting fined and remove the loud ppl. I had this issue for YEARS. Even had bb’s shot at our house and had video and sound of the smoking, dealing and carryin on. The house has finally been bought by a young family. The old owners paid thousands in fines til them gave up and sold the house.

    • What do we do a bout a loud and destructive may our whose inflammatory rhetoric have cost us millions is lawsuits? Declaring war on Section 8 was dumb.

  2. What should happen is a mandatory drug test prior to acceptance to the program and that would defiantly weed out things without much work at all and would save billions but then we got the people who would not pass, there also needs to be a program implemented that’s manditory to teaches moral skills. A lot of people in that situation didn’t get many tools from there parents to apply to there life they just grew up.

    • I’m all for drug testing. We should start by testing elected officials who say crazy things like it’s time to go to war with Section 8, birdie sounds lower crime, the BLVD is better than Disneyland, Lancaster is thriving while all other cities are failing, Bangladesh is going to be destroyed by a cyclone and other idiotic things. Test for drugs or cerebral dysfunction. It has to be one or the other.

    • How about a mandatory drug test to enroll your child in public school? Or to get a library card? Or to apply for a mortgage?

      All of those things have at least as much to do with drug use as needing a place to live, right?

      Or just authorize the cops to snatch people out of line at the grocery store and test them. That seems reasonable enough. Oh. Wait. No, it actually doesn’t seem reasonable AT ALL. It just seems like a sop to throw to people who don’t think the system inflicts enough punishment on poor people so we should all get to stand around and watch them pee.

    • I was once on the section 8 program, my wife and four stepchildren & i moved to palmdale with our sec 8, about 12 years ago, l worked, my wife cared for the kids 2 are special needs, we saved money played by the rules, never cheated or lied to gain more benefits, during the initial housing bubble burst, we made our move bought our first home, it’s been 7 years now, kids all 4 graduated high school, one became a nurse, another works for the county, two in college. Unfortunately our story is the only ive ever heard of… Most families who receive sec 8, never attempt to remove themselves from the program. Never make an effort to become better people in life, the program does not encourage or prod people to do better in life, rather keeping the poor, poor to keep money coming into the program to sustain thier own jobs is the status quo… There’s little to zero rules enforced by sec 8. Look the other way and take the taxpayers cash is the way. As for ourselves, we will be moving from palmdale, selling our house, and moving to a better nieghborhood, in order to live a more comfortable life this may mean leaving California. But ld rather have snowy winters than be begged outside every store/market by some lazy drug addict welfare recipient everywhere i go in California. There’s even homeless in every vacant field in palmdale now. Time to take my tax dollars elsewhere… Thanks sec 8, for the opportunity, my parents always lived in apartments, I always wanted something better, sec 8 gave me the opportunity to move up in life. Too bad others didn’t follow…..

      • LOPAN… Thanks for sharing your story. That’s exactly what I say Help while you get back on your feet thanks for paying by the rules not for ever like 99% of the people getting sec8 they just abuse and I know there is hardly any rules enforced the SEC8 system is all jacked up. AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE BLIND AND don’t see how it really plays out I think you guys get SEC 8 yourself that why you guys are on the comp all day keep defending your trash sec8 and in a few years it will just get worse 95% of people who get SEC8 are just LAZY don’t want to work or have never worked.

    • I agree 100% that they should be drug tested to be accepted into any assistance program and should be warned that they can be sent for random drug testing at any time while they are on assistance. I have had to do a back round check and drug testing for almost every single job had & it also states that they have the option to do random drug tests at any time. I have nothing to worry about so there’s no problem with me saying yes to that and I have NEVER been randomly drug tested. If I have to do it to EARN my money then why don’t these people who want assistance have to? That’s a key word ASSISTANCE, that is what all of these programs were designed for. When you need ASSISTANCE getting back on your feet. It’s not meant to be your lifestyle and if your choosing to make it be your only income and be lazy or continue to have multiple children on the system then you should be subject to the same rules that apply to all of us that are working to pay not just for ourselves but for all of those on assistance as well.
      My story is:
      I was a single mother at the age of 16 and on welfare for the first couple years because I couldn’t work enough to make ends meet but worked 3 jobs to get myself off by the age of 18. I applied to section 8 at the age of 15 and it wasn’t until I had my 2nd child at the age of 26 that I was accepted into the section 8 program & I had fallen on hard times again and was once again a single mother now of 2. Well in the first home on the program my portion to pay (what seemed to me to be a lot being a single mother of 2 only making $11.50 per hour at the time) was $900 per month for a 3 bedroom house & my sleazy landlord after 2 months said that they were selling the house and I had to move by the end of the month. I paid a $1500 security deposit out of my own money to rent the home in the first place which was never given back to me. I won my case in court but have still to this day never been paid. After this happened I told myself that I was never going to be on ANY assistance ever again and that I would work and do what I had to for my family to provide for them myself. I luckily met the man I didn’t’ know I had been waiting for my entire life a couple months after and went in and to the housing department and said that I would like to be removed from all programs. They looked at me surprised because obviously that NEVER have anyone come in and say that to them. But that is what it was for. It was the help that I needed to get to my next step and that’s exactly what I used it for.

  3. It should be called “Section Bait!” Cause once they get on, you are controlled by the same government you don’t want in your business. Once you’ve loss your will and desire to work, you’re at the mercy of the government. Guess what, it doesn’t matter who the president is, black or white, male or female, it doesn’t matter cause you’ve gotten too comfortable just sitting or laying around, smoking bud, partying, socializing daily and drinking. To add insult to injury, they have more kids. Newsflash: if you not working taking care of your first kid, you should be practicing safe sex, so you don’t produce another mouth for me to feed. If you choose to suffer, that’s ok for you, but not fare to the child(ren).

  4. Oftentimes people express their dislike or distain regarding slavery and racism, but I guess it’s ok when it’s when it’s self inflicted. All these government programs do is keep the recipient locked into to a certain life style, one that affords you the opportunity to shop a certain place, vacation in certain areas, eat out at certain restaurants, and remain in a certain social group. It’s because you get comfortable doing nothing that keeps you in that “slave mentality. And guess what, the white man didn’t do it, you did it to yourselves. Naturally, rather than take responsibility for your choice to remain in the condition you are, you will “blame” the white man! How bout you take advantage of the sacrifice that so many before you fought and died for, and get an education. You know something the “white man” cannot take from you. Them and only then will you remove yourself from the being enslaved, to your own decisions. It may be tights, but it’s definitely right!

  5. I work for company x. Company x makes tvs. Consumer Y buys television X with money that comes out of my pay while building said tv.

    My experience:
    I work for hospital x. Jane Q public lives next door in a section 8. Jane gets money from SSI and disability from the state. She ensures disability by using ambulance resource (every week) to show judge she is having pain in the extreme sense. Jane now bypasses emergency room waiting and goes straight into my work station. Cannot prove back pain, must document for state disability. We both go home to the same houses.

    See a problem?

  6. Sec 8 is a great program for the families that really need it!! It takes YEARS to finally get on the program! Yes, there are many recipients who are in violation of not following the rules and because of them, they give a bad name to the ones who are following the rules!! I mean, if ur driving a nice brand new car, then surely you can afford to pay ur own rent!! Most of the time sec 8 won’t catch these cars cuz they’re not registered to them!! People on sec 8 are allowed to have cars, but not something that’s gonna make it obvious you can afford ur own rent!! Secondly, after reading all the comments on here, it just sounds like a bunch of haters who I know for a fact would love to live paying for half their rent!! Keep an open mind people!! Drug testing isn’t just for people on sec 8!! I know so many “hard working” people who do more drugs then “sec 8” people!! Don’t be so quick to judge before you get the facts!!

  7. Get a real job and you will Never need section 8 Stop being a lazy moron…………………….

  8. Another loss to the hardworking taxpayer!!! That’s right folks we pay for all the losses incurred by others whats new.

  9. There are some people that need section 8 help. But a majority of them are just cheating the system. I have a neighbor that is on section 8 and get goverment money to support all members of the family. They have others living in the home that are not on there contract from section 8. They have 2 cars and seem to have money for booze. They party and are very loud in the neighbor hood to all hours of the night. When others in the neighbor hood have to work and get up early. You can’t complain to section 8 because they have you file a complaint that gets you nowhere. You don’t even get a call back from messages you leave. I was told by the Sherriff Dept, that once people are on section 8. They will be on it forever. Section 8 will not do anything to these tenates. Some landloard back up there tenates, I guess because they are getting paid there rent from the goverment. I have never seen so many people living off the goverment here in E. Lancaster. I lived pryor in Los Angeles before coming to the AV. You go to the stores and everyone is paying with there ebt cards. While others on a budget buying what they can with there hard earned money. I don’t think it is fair.

    • YOURE JUST MAD BECAUSE YOUR A MISERABLE HUMAN BEING AND A BAD NEIGHBOR IF YOU DONT LIKE IT MOVE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

      • I don’t think so Lory. We are home owners that care about our neighbor hood. You must be another section 8 renter or you also live off tax payers. When you work hard for your money and buy your home.You will understand, when you can’t sleep because your neighbors are keeping you awake. People damaging your property, which you have worked so hard trying it to look good. Then you will realize just what I mean. So don’t offer your opinion without being in that position fist. As long as you live off us tax payers, you will never know. Get a job!

        • LOL…if you live in the AV you live off taxpayers, just like all the rest of us. Even if you aren’t directly involved in the defense industry, the money circulating in this valley predominantly enters through a defense worker’s paycheck and without them we would ALL be broke.

          Nothing is funnier to me than someone who depends on government spending of truly stupendous magnitude getting holier than thou at someone who gets by on a relatively small and benign government program. Not that I really understand how you leaped to such conclusion about Lory, just based on what she said.

          • Another insight into the unreal with your host, Tim Scott!

            Thank you Tim! Your constant flow of replies, day in and day out, shows just how much your contribution weighs out to be! Mr Retired, did you ever think to keep working? Better yet, why not take your comments to the next step, and head to the White House! You’d replace Jay Carney and that Iraqi guy as the world’s greatest comedian!

            The money circulates. Captain Obvious has been promoted to General Nuisance! The money circulates because we have the IRS. WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT. Remember, the one you worked for? Its not that the money circulates, its the fact that a high concentration of non working able body adults are consuming a staggering rate of commodities off of government subsidies paid fourth by the working poor.

          • Reason being Tom Scott, Why is she defending bad neighbors on Sec.8. Why should I leave my home which we are buying and not fight for our peace and rights to live here. She is saying that I am a miserable person, when the only problems we have are with our neighbor. We here in our neighbor hood look out for each other. The way it is suppose to be. We watch each others homes, to make sure people feel safe in our home. No we are not working for the defense industry. And we do not receive goverment assistance. This city here use to be a quiet and peaceful place to live. And one day I hope and pray for the return of those days. Peace, quiet and safe.

        • I said comments similar to the wellness homes springing up our neighborhoods and was labeled TRASH!! I paid 175,000 for a house next to a non profit halfway house / “how to raise your kid while you attend MIDDLE SCHOOL” seminar. But hey, I’m in the wrong, I should leave. You are outnumbered here. Your logic is sound, but the system only recognizes the illogical.

    • For all you ppl dealing with loud disruptive sect 8’ers, simply start calling in complaints to the sheriff department MAKE SURE IT IS LEGITIMATE. They can’t do anything BUT after several complaints the owner of the rental will start getting fined and remove the loud ppl. I had this issue for YEARS. Even had bb’s shot at our house and had video and sound of the smoking, dealing and carryin on. The house has finally been bought by a young family. The old owners paid thousands in fines til them gave up and sold the house.

  10. You people are so ignorant. Do you know how incredibly difficult it is to get Section 8? Some people wait decades. The people that do eventually get it I bet would like to avoid everything possible to lose it. It is also incredibly difficult to KEEP section 8. You report EVERYTHING EVERY YEAR. People on section 8 are required to pay 30% of their income. Whatever it is. I’m willing to bet most of them have jobs. These shady people most of you seem to live next to i bet RENT at market value. Or even better own. Not a lot of home owner’s are willing to rent out to huge families even with sec 8. It’s too much of a risk. These people aren’t stealing or even lazy. Sec 8 doesn’t pay your 1st & last month’s rent & the subsequent months UNTIL sec 8 kicks in. Not to mention all the maintenance on a HOUSE. Trash, water, electric etc. If you think county checks every month pay those fees you have no clue about how government programs work. That’s how it works. No government program pays all that unless you’re in a domestic violence type situation with kids & even then a one time one month deal. Talk to someone next time about how they got I the situation they are in. Stop assuming.

    • I concur with you Isa. There are many who can use the assistance of a program like this.

      Yet that didn’t stop Rex from declaring war on Section 8. He only cares about himself and his cronies.

    • The Section 8 neighbors we have had and continue to have are not upstanding citizens like you would like us to believe. And what maintenance on the house, the lawns are left unkempt with trash littering the yard and street, why should any effort be put into it, it does not belong to them. The homeowners might rent out a Section 8 home to single families who then allow their family members to move in until 8 adults plus seven children are living in one house, that is just one example that our neighborhood deals with. The shady people you imagine rent at market value does not exist, nowadays it takes two adults working to afford rent, some people do not work but stay home day after day, year round, if your rent is covered, then no problem when it comes to working for a living. If anyone is ignorant, that would be you Isa, stating that anyone on Section 8 do not steal or are not lazy, there are many that use the program to better themselves but we have too many that do not . Pointing out that the government does not check that water, electricity, trash fees are paid, why would we assume that, no payment, no power, simple.

    • Isa, what you fail to realize is that because of the NAACP and others, the enforcement arm of the program has been neutered. Granted, the former actions of the sheriff were overkill for what was needed. The three inspectors for the entire AV originally requested sheriff assistance when investigating reports of improper behaviour (drug dealing. renting rooms out to others, and other items) because they experienced violence and threats. But it grew into something quite different. So now we have no enforcement inspectors.

      My own family (my mother and my two brothers and I) existed on Section 8 after she divorced my dad and we had very limited income. It was a hand up, not a hand out. Sadly, too many of our fine citizens have Section 8 and will never, ever get out of the hole they are in. I know this personally as I am a property manager overseeing over 30 homes, all Section 8. And because they are Section 8, each property is registered with the city it is in (Palmdale and Lancaster) and inspected regularly by the City and by Section 8 (annually). Further, the city code enforcement checks all rental units (that are registered) and will cite items such as overgrown lawns and trash left outside.

      Frankly, right now, there is a shortage of single family homes opting to rent to Section 8, which is a result of lower rates now being provided by Section 8 and the negative publicity the entire program received over this and other events.

  11. BTW – the behavior by the police was unfair and I believe also, very discriminative. No one deserved to be treated the way they were during those searches. If in fact someone was doing something wrong while living on Section 8, they should have removed them the correct way – by contacting Section 8 and allowing SECTION 8 to do the removal process. The police should have nothing to do with Section 8 and their rules, nor should the police worry about who is on Section 8. They are in place to protect the community, not to raid Section 8 houses. If someone is doing illegal activity at a Section 8 house, call We Tip – they are an incredible recourse and they always come through properly. Through We-Tip, you can report crimes, Graffiti, Section 8 issues, drug sales – utilize this free number and go this route – Keep in mind – your call is 100 percent anonymous.
    1-800-WeTip

  12. Not all people on sec 8 are low lives most are disabled and cant afford to have 2000 sq housing, is that just a luxury for the hard working republicans. This is not a race war we are all equal so stop making this about race cause no one race is better than the other. We all have our disadvantages when it comes to being a civilized citizen.

  13. I owe nothing on my home but refuse to move to the West side of Palmdale due to the amount of Section 8 Housing. I live on the East side of Palmdale and I have never had an issue in my neighborhood – no one on Section 8 wants these old homes so we have been very fortunate. I honestly couldn’t afford to live in one of those big homes anyway, or keep it clean. My small home is already a pig pen – I can’t imagine having a home with 5-6 rooms. But as I continue, I want to make it clear that not only African American live in Section 8 Housing – to say so would be wrong. Section 8 is open to all nationalities; black, white, Hispanic, Vietnamese – it is open to anyone who qualifies, regardless of race. You have to remember that younger kids read these articles, not just adults, and it would be unfair for any child to have to read bad stuff about their race. My mom has always taught me that there is good, and there is bad, in every race. And I have found that to be true. I work with some incredible caring people at my job whom the majority are African American – they are good to me and have never done anything to hurt me. I have seen all races walk down the streets in the AV with MEAN PIT BULLS, smoking weed, cursing, pants down to their jinglers, and on the other hand, I have clients on Section 8 and they are good caring people – just haven’t been as fortunate as some to be able to get a decent job. Everyday just give thanks to God for who you are and for the things you have in life but try not to be so judgmental on those who have not been so fortunate. When I see what you guys call, “Ghetto” kids walking down the street, I always make it a point to say hello to them and let me tell you, no one has ever punched me in the face yet. In fact, they greet me with a hello too. So just try to go out of your way to say hello and let them know, regardless of race, that you care are enough to say, “Hi”. A smile can do a lot for a person.

  14. There is a huge difference between need and greed and the people who choose to ignore that contrast. Tim Scott, I hope that you never need the services of the Sheriff’s Dept. that you are so willing to insult. Even more, I wish that you would provide the solution to stop the abusive violations of all the free programs offered to generations of people who never earned the help, and instead inspire them to quit using the housing, to allow felons, probationers, and loving family members to sell drugs from these locations. There are rules in life, and yes…Section 8 rules as well…shocking how the same people won’t follow any of them. Stop criticizing the enforcers and place the responsibility where it belongs, on the violators.

    • No worries, I won’t need their “services.” I don’t need anyone shot in the street. Don’t need anyone run out of their house. Don’t balance my budget based on collection of fines.

  15. Does this mean that Rex lost the “war” he declared on Section 8?

    • Like the confederacy before him, racist Rex has been put down by forces backing the constitution of the United States.

      • The community should file a lawsuit against Rex for his inflammatory declaration of war on Section 8. That tone coming from the top set the stage for all the trouble in Lancaster.

        • Generally speaking a community can’t sue their own mayor. There is a prevailing theory that they elected him to speak FOR them. It would be interesting to see Lancaster try to organize a recall, but in truth it is doubtful they can even succeed in blocking his reelection, given the way the process is rigged.

          • Don’t get me going about the Lancaster elections. We voted for elections in November but King Rex said screw you. So we have elections without districts in April and they count ballots at city hall. Meanwhile King Rex sues Palmdale for districts and makes them chance their elections to match the presidential cycle. He is a crook and a hypocrite!

  16. Living in a west-side neighborhood with >50% section 8, but homes of value of 300K–IT’S IRRITATING to have lowlife’s strolling the street cursing and yelling at one another, inviting their lowlife associates to hang around their house and street making noise way late into the night. Not happy. Sick of the lot of them being parasites off the system, their entitlement mentality, their unwed breeding like rabbits and their foul mouths.

    Had to get a GREAT BIG DOG to keep them from breaking and entering (yes, they did–to the two neighbors directly across from me, then were caught with hand on my window, peering in to see who/what was inside…my 87 yr old invalid mother in a hospital bed). Dog sleeps in her room now. :-) But GREAT BIG DOG creates GREAT BIG POOP…an unpleasant inconvenience because of section 8 lowlife who lives all around me.

    Resident, Westside of Lancaster

    • If you know for sure their on sec 8, call and make reports to the sheriff’s department and let them know to put it in the report, also call sect 8 and let them know the things going on by recipients of the program, give them the address and they WILL send someone out to check it out.

      • It’s true – if you have problem tenants, then call and report them. Sometimes it will take 3-5 calls but eventually they will get them out.

    • I am sorry for all the pain you have had to endure because of some not so kind Section 8 renters  I don’t wish this upon anyone, especially when people just want to live a quiet life. There are quite a few nice houses on the East side of Palmdale by Palmdale High and though it looks ugly in appearance, the neighbors, blocks long, are good human beings. People all know one another and I have been here 20 years with no issues. You may want to look into real estate on this side of town. 75 percent of those who live here have own their homes and have owned them for quite some time, taking pride in the very little they own.

  17. This is bad we need to get rid of the free loaders SEC 8 or have them randomly drug tested with out any notice if tested positive no help and if you earned the help like past employment history well you qualify for some help not for life till you get back on your feet if you have never worked like so many here in the AV NO HELP no sec8 I think we tax payers should have a say on how or who we should help.

    • I think that since you seem to be so driven about what a horrible imposition it is that you should stop paying taxes and surrender any benefits of citizenship. Clearly you are convinced this would be a net gain for you, right?

  18. This means the people who won money will no longer qualify for section 8…correct..or welfare…correct??? Or will they continue , like everyone knows, to make tax payers pay for them to live in equal housing??? Work if you want to live in nice houses-welfare recipients don’t need 2,000 sq houses for $20 a month rent. Work to eat, or don’t eat, work to have the opportunity to live in a house, not rape money from me to get a house they feel they are entitled to.

    • To Yeah, well said and so true. The motto of conservatives is “I work so you don’t have to” the Liberals just want anyone who works and makes money to give half to the people who don’t want to work.

    • Not likely. Even with a large sum, the majority will go to the NAACP and the Lawyers (of Los Angeles County and the NAACP) and the other legal entities. The actual plaintiffs will likely get very little.

    • yeah but when your colored minority living in poverty and have limited opportunities living in a city with a mayor who doesnt want to invest in public education particulary in low income areas or invest in more jobs …being black or hispanic being easy targets for discrimination by a racist ass sheriff department … it must be easy be white and privilege …..im a section 8 resident that lives in lancaster im not planing on moving …

      • I find your comment hilarious. I grew up with racist like you calling me white even though i was a card carrying Cherokee/Italian. You see the world as a simple equation. If you look white, then you have to be the wrong. My people were slaughtered for their land and beliefs. We are still fighting for small lesser known bands on Native Americans to become federally recognized. I have a large blood quantum. My FAMILY is on the Dawes Roll. We were here long ago, killed, forgotten, then forced to hear the plight of the whites and blacks that came to this country much like the immigrants from Mexico that they love to demonize.

        The Mexicans got amnesty before the Native Americans! You are just as bad as the Anglo Saxons you cuss.

  19. Put another big chunk of change on the county tab, courtesy of the Sheriff’s department and their inability to conduct themselves in accord with the law that they are supposedly enforcing.

    • Yeah Tim, because it’s deputy misconduct when they arrest Section 8 recipients for having stolen items in their subsidized housing, guns, dope, and parolees. Not too mention that there was and still is a large population of the Section 8 community who’s conduct is deplorable with zero regard nor respect for their neighbors. You have an answer for everything – Maybe one day you’ll change your bland predictable and standardized ‘Hi, I’m Tim and I always gotta have the last word regardless of how much of a social cripple it further proves me to be’ – Would it still be the cops’ fault if they found most of your stolen items in a Section 8 recipients home…? Okay, back over to your for the last word – I know this is what you thrive on. Tool.

      • If you said something that wasn’t idiotic I’d happily give you the last word.

        Meanwhile, your pretense that there is no misconduct going on is shattered by the obvious…read the article here.

      • Did you read the article?

        The pretense that there has not been any misconduct gets sort of flimsy in the wake of the feds finding that there is over and over and over and over, doesn’t it?

        • What’s the matter Tim. You don’t like us talking about people like you who are milking the system? Too bad. Section 8 sucks the life and money out of us working people to give it to people like you who don’t want to work for your money.

          • More speculation about me that couldn’t be further wrong. Even when I’ve been unemployed I am far too antagonistic to government agencies to apply for any meager assistance they might give me, and the one time I had a “state job” after about a year I recognized that on some level my paycheck was backed by the badged and gunned fine mining thugs out collecting the random taxes and couldn’t work it past my conscience so I quit.

            I do use the VA to supply my legally required health care coverage.

            Thanks for your interest.

          • He says he uses the VA. I pay for mine even WITH that option. VA is a joke. You get better stuff with welfare. I didn’t retire after doing the work i did. I went to work again in the civilian sector. Gov benefits don’t pay for anything. People that settle for that are the backbone to this broken down economy, Tim settles for what the gov sees he did in the past.

          • You should change your name to Tiresome.

            The VA meets the requirements of the ACA. I, like every veteran, can say that “I have health insurance.” I don’t pay for health insurance, but if I need health care I pay for it without whining about the VA services being “a joke,” because I really don’t like waiting in line and I don’t have to. It is hilarious that you want to pick on me about “settling” for gov benefits (which I don’t) while you indicate that the only reason you don’t use them is because they aren’t good enough for you.

            You once again go off on a wild speculation train about me with this “Tim settles for what the government sees he did in the past.” I can hardly even guess what you are talking about. Other than listing the VA as my health insurance provider the government doesn’t see me AT ALL. I maintain a low enough income to not pay income tax. I apply for no benefits so I receive none. I do pay sales tax when I buy stuff, but I pay cash so that is collected anonymously. I renew my driver’s license when it expires. From a practical standpoint the government doesn’t even know that I’m here.

          • Different people, same idea. You talk about serving the country. You talk about quitting a govt job because of the badges. You talk about veterans in a positive light, yet demonize the law enforcement agents defending your shops and streets from becoming a warzone. You have a bleeding heart toward criminals in a town that you moved from. You say you list the VA as insurance provider & renew your license, but other than that, they don’t care about you. What you did in the past can be covered by the aca or the national league of actuaries, out matters not.

            Did you know that the VA deems people of your mentality with dementia at a certain age. Your fiduciary will be replaced,even if you previously appointed one (you being unsound), by a charitable 501 foundation. They will then take a fee to distribute your funds and the VA will investigate any money given from the direct deposit account prior to the change of power. You probably said you would need assistance on your original paper work, thus giving them ALL THE HELP THEY NEED!

            You sound like a smart man. You are quite on point about 85% of the time. You sound like a well read individual.

            You sound like all of my buddies did before they called a rep.