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Man shot dead during argument in Lancaster [updated]

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The shooting happened at the suspect’s residence in the 4600 block of East Avenue G in Lancaster, authorities said. [Photo by LUIS MEZA]
The shooting happened at the suspect’s residence in the 4600 block of East Avenue G in Lancaster, authorities said. [Photo by LUIS MEZA]
LANCASTER – A 29-year-old man was shot dead with an AK-47 during an argument at a Lancaster home Monday afternoon, authorities said.

The shooting happened around 5 p.m. Monday, April 11, according to a news release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Information Bureau.

The suspect was detained by responding deputies and arrested. His name was not immediately released. [LUIS MEZA]
The suspect was detained by responding deputies and arrested. His name was not immediately released. [LUIS MEZA]
“Detectives have learned that the suspect, a 34-year-old male Hispanic, and the victim, a 29-year-old male Hispanic, got into a disagreement at the suspect’s residence in the 4600 block of East Avenue G, Lancaster,” the news release states. “During the argument, the suspect shot the victim with an assault rifle.”

The suspect was detained by responding deputies and arrested at the residence, and the victim was pronounced dead at the scene, according to the news release.

“The murder weapon, an AK-47 assault rifle, was recovered at the location,” the news release states.

The victim’s name is being withheld pending notification of kin, coroner’s officials said Tuesday morning. The suspect’s name was not immediately released.

Anyone with information about this incident is encouraged to contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s Homicide Bureau at 323-890-5500.  To remain anonymous, call Crime Stoppers at 800-222-TIPS (8477).

UPDATED 4.13.16: The victim has been identified as 29-year-old Travis Ryan Rutledgehass of Lancaster, according to coroner’s Assistant Chief Ed Winter.

The suspect was identified in court records as 34-year-old Michael Shaun Greenstone of Lancaster. He was charged Wednesday with murder and remains jailed on $1 million bail.

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131 comments for "Man shot dead during argument in Lancaster [updated]"

  1. 1@hueros lady. If you really believed that why when u were told your man had been killed did u look at wayne and say i told u if anything happened it would be your fault? In this day and age, you can never be sure where a video camera or tape recorder may be.

    I don’t believe your man went there for innocent reasons but i do believe he was seriously misled as to what he was getting into. And not just by brandi n wayne but by at least 2 others who are probably still pretending to be your friends. Be careful because they obviously are not friends nor place any value on human life. And if you really think they went there for innocent reasons how do you explain the $93000 check they tried to force mike to cash? Dont forget its all public record n will come out at trial. I think your man and mike were both expendable as far as those who planned the whole thing and the happy life they thought they would have after taking over mikes house. Its pathetic that they wasted your mans life and mikes as well for their own selfish gains. Mike pulled the trigger but it wasnt him that killed. I only hope the others are prosecuted

    • Andyman, please tell this to Mike’s public defender. I have heard the story about the check. I know why people think Mike had money, but he didn’t and his credit has gone to H—. Really Mike has no money just tons of debt now. Mike just kept charging things and not paying. All these people wanted was MONEY ! Yes Travis knew what he was getting into, but I don’t know what they promised him. Brandi wanted the gun and maybe Wayne and Travis wanted part of the $93,000. Why they thought Mike could cash it is very strange to me, cause he had nothing in his bank. Travis and Mike got played that day, and 6 lives were altered, Travis, Mike and the children. Shame on the people who set this up, Karma is a B—– !!!!!!

      • Some of the info come from his p.d. him n da n detectives know all I do. Those truely guilty need to be punished. The two that have been punished may not have been innocent but I think they were both set up in different ways. Did you know they were trying to cash that check even after what happened. Inhuman trash n not fair they are out free to destroy more lives. By the way if you know about the blanket and candle n giftwrap then u know who I am.

        • Andyman, do you know what they promised Travis ? I believe they had to promise him something to get him over there. I know that Brandi wanted the Ak-47, money and anything else she could steal. Also possibly the House, but she wasn’t smart enough for that. Same with Wayne.
          Why are you hiding your I.D. ????

          • Why am I hiding my ID? Well because I think two people losing their lives, one by death and another to prison forever for defending himself is too many already. I would rather not be added to the body count. After all the guilty ones who set things up for this whole tragedy are still running free chasing rainbows n riding unicorns and I dont think they place any more value on human life now than they did in April. Why are you hiding your id?

    • Dont talk to me like u know or where there the day or time i was told that my man died…i had absolutely no idea thwy were going to michaels house. None what so ever. So dont rry and play me out like i knew something was up. Wayne had been acting very sneaky AND SHADY and tryna get huero to do dumb [removed] for the last couple of weeks and i told wayne if huero got busted or if someo thing happened to him while with wayne i would know it was waynes doing. Wayne didnt want us theee anymore and his b***h a$$ would do idiotic shit just to get us out of there. And if the two other people ur talking about are ron and tammie….F*** THEM M***F****rs and F*** EVERYBODY IN LANCASTER…i know for a fact thwy all had something to do with this. . cuz wayne told me ron and teresa where quizZing him on what to say and not to say to thw cops. Who does that. So i agree and im pushing for all them a$$holes out there to get proscecrued.TRUST AND BELIVE THAT!!!!!!!!!!

      • And are u implying wayne house was bugged? I know that b***h made foo carried around a tape recorder. So if he was recording me i woulsnt be sursurprised but i dont care. I dont know why they went over there i wish i did. But like u said mike and huero were the ones who paid the price.

        • You got one of the people right. The other one is a large fellow also and his name hasnt hardly been mentioned but I dont believe ron and the otheer person both had mysterious vehicle and motoorcycle problems right before it happened and mysteriously were fine right after it all went down. I would like to extend my sympathy and conddolences to you and your children and send you lo love and strength for the days ahead. I cannot imagine how hard it is to sit in court and have to listen to the gruesome details of this horrible tragedy where the innocent have lost their lives in one way or another while the guilty run free trying to find santa clause or whatever stupid crap they do. And this next thing please don’t get offended the last thing I want is to add to your pain and im not defending mike hell I didn’t really like the guy but ask yourself if their roles were reversed would your man have done the same to mike in order to protect you and your precious children? I wish you and your children all the best and hope you find the strength to get thru this time and take comfort in knowing your man is always with you. Im not psychic but do get messages and if ever you miss him close your eyes and picture a lake n fireworks n feel ms around you like they were then. If that makes no sense disregard cuz sometimes its not always clear but I think I got it right.

          • U must be talking about Robert Rand…Pig! Wayne calls him pig…from what i know him and brandi rented space and a room on michaels property. And my man didbt like him nor did he..rob..care for huero too much.

      • First I would like to apologize again for upsetting you as that was not my intention. Then I would like to say, “thank you,” for your honesty and candor because from what I know about the situation I totally 100% believe what you said is true. So far I think you are the first person to do so. Also please know that there are people who are still trying to see that those who are truely guilty do not stay free. They are doing it legally tho so they don’t get arrested too and no bad karma. I have to say I am glad you realise those scum for what they are and are smart enough to know they are not your friends. Hell mike had been locked up 2 months before he found out brandi wasn’t his friend and played a key role in setting him up. I actually met you once briefly and you seemed cool and like you could be a classy lady and I hope you will give some thought to getting away from some of the ghetto gangster scum so prevalent here in AV and find people who have more class like I believe you do. And remember the choice a parent makes today often helps decide whether u watch your children walk thru the gates of a good university or the gates of state prison later. Again love and strength to you and your family

        • Yes I want to keep my I.D. quiet as I don’t want Drama in my life which I think happens a lot in the AV. Before this with Mike I had a whole other perception of the AV and now I have been let down as to its the AV’s Character. I hope never to set foot in that valley ever again. I hope that its true that the others involved in this get theirs, because I think it was unfair that Mike was put in this situation and he deserves a better life than he has been handed. He had a bright future before the Army and since then his life has gone down hill fast. All Mike wants is a nice simple quiet life. Yes he made wrong choices in his life but there were people who took advantage of him. Mike is like his father, a person who likes to help. All I wish is for someone to help him.

        • @andyman. Best post so far, I agree. Good idea not to I.D. yourself, thanks for bringing things to light. I wish Hueros Lady and family well and hope the “puppet masters” end up being prosecuted. Some sort of Conspiracy charge seems appropriate to me.

  2. This man is a KILLER. Travis was running away…neighbors seen this. at that point no AK47 was needed. He was shot n the ankles to slow him down…then unloaded on his head. Shot 6 times n head.Don’t sound like self defense to me, sounds like overkill. And to C that commented on his children and family being shameful….You my friend have no idea, leave the children and the family out of it. I’ve known Travis and family 30 years. He didn’t do everything right in his life…neither have any of you. He has a 4th child due in December..4 children left without a father, because a deranged and hot tempered person could hold control and then blame it on military. I hope he never sees daylight again. I hope he never rest, n lives in fear all of his life. He had no right because he was military. My ass. Don’t give him that status of military, its just makes our real hero’s look bad.

    • If Travis was so innocent why did he go to the car and get out 2 guns and then return to the house. He argued outside with mike, and mike went into the house and Travis went to the car to get 2 guns. Seems to me he wasn’t thinking of family then, only of hurting someone. It was only after Travis armed himself and mike tried to tell him to get rid of the gun and mike also tried to disarm Travis, and gave Travis a warning shot. But Travis was there for a reason and that was to steal and possibly hurt/kill mike. How many people do you know in the military, especially ones that don’t come back mentally and physically well. Our Veterans are treated like [removed] and no one cares. Next time you see a homeless person ask if he is a Vet. So if Travis was so concerned about his family why did he go to mike’s, he knew what he was getting into.

      • U must be the tall amazon [removed] who shows up to his court hearings to know that. I know who u are….according to the coroner [removed] he waa shot in both legs, grazed in the foot and the fatal shot was inthe head. Sue has her facts right. Get urs. What ppl need to stop doing on here is talking about my [removed] man…rest in peace…like he was there with the intent to rob or kill mike. Thats some [removed]….WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO START DOING IS STOP TRYING TO FRAME HIM LIKE THEYRE TRYNA DO…STOP TRYNA BLAME TRAVIS AND START BLAMING WAYNE. [removed] WAYNE VAN OSDOL THE MAN WHO TOOK HIM OVER THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON IT IS. HE IS THE ONE WITH THE MOTIVE. HE IS THE ONE WHO ALL WEEKEND HAD BEEN TRYNA GET TRAVIS TO MEET THIS GUY MIKE. HES THE ONE WHO TOLD TRAVIS TO TAKE HIS GUN WITH HIM SINCE “HE LIVED ON A BIG [removed] PROPERTY” THEY CAN SHOOT THEIR GUNS OFF. WAYNE IS THE [removed] WHO HAS EVEEYTHING TO DO WITH ME NOT HAVING MY BOYFRIEND ANYMORE. MY KIDS NOT HAVING THEIR DAD.. THAT [removed] WAYNE IS THE PERSON WHO SET MY MAN UP. TRAVIS ALWAYS THOUGHT OF US [removed]. WE WERR HIS REASON FOR LIVING. MAYBE WAYNE WASNT QUITE READY TO LEAVE..MAYBE HE WASNT DONE GETTING HIS [removed] SUCKED BY THAT [removed] BRANDI. MAYBE..RIGHT. SO SIT THE [removed] DOWN, AND WATCH UR [removed] MOUTH BEFORE EVER SPEAKING LIKE U KNOW MY [removed] MAN [removed].

    • Sue, sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Very sad for Travis and his family, but he had every opportunity to leave. He saw that Mike was armed and angry and Travis chose to go back to his friends car and arm himself. He then went back into the house and confronted Mike. Who in their right mind would do something like that? He obviously intended to do Mike harm. He could have just left. I wish he had, He’d still be here today. He and his friend were there to rob or kill Mike. Sorry, but the truth sometimes hurts. Evidence shows he was not shot 6 times. Where’d you come up with that B.S.? If he would have left he wouldn’t been shot at all. Just saying. He chose to mess with the wrong person. I’m not saying he deserved what he got, but he should have left when he had the chance. HE SHOULD HAVE JUST GONE HOME! Why didn’t he? Ask yourself that. He had the opportunity. Why didn’t he take it? So sad.

      • SHUT THE [removed] UP. WHAT EVEIDENCE ARE U TALKING ABOUT. UR THE ONE WITH NO CLUE. EVIDENCE SHOWZ HE WAS SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES. SO GET UR FACTS RIGHT U HAVE NO CLUE…MAYBE IF HE WAS IN HIS OWN CAR HE WOULD OF JUST GONE HOME OR EVEN BETTER NOT GONE THERE AT ALL…BUT WAYNE VAN OSDOL TOOK HIM OVER THERE AND WAS THE ONE WITH THE KEYS.

        • I’m sorry but I won’t STFU. My facts are straight and I spoke the truth. Sorry if it hurts. I’m really sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine what you’ve been going through. I was responding to Sue’s post that Travis was shot 6 times in the head. Not true. Wayne and Travis should have left. They should have left and called the cops. I’m sure that Wayne and Brandi are both P.O.S. and were plotting something. They wanted something bad to happen, but to Mike. I think they wanted to rob and or kill Mike. Maybe Travis was just being used, I don’t know. I wish he was in his own car and not riding with Wayne, maybe he would have left. Unfortunately well never know. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to have a friend like Wayne.

        • I’m sorry for your loss I.F. , But the facts are true that your boy was shot one time in the head, not 6 as Sue stated. Didn’t Travis have a cell phone like most people today, he could have call for a ride? If it was me and the man I was argueing with had an AK on his back I would walk out the door and run ASAP ! He stayed cause Wayne was his ride ? Really? So that’s the excuse to endanger your life. Travis had both guns on him when Mike started shooting. Mike told him to take the guns out and put them down and Travis wasn’t listening. By the way it was getting dark out so their shooting in the dark? Why isn’t Wayne being charged with conspiracy to commit murder? Are you pushing for this? Yes Brandi is at the bottom of all this and she should be charged too.

        • Also Mike didn’t know Wayne either. You people talk like these were friends, they were not. Just a bunch of freeloader bums trying to steal from Mike. All Mike wanted was to be left in peace and by himself, but Tweezers took advantage of his kind nature to help people. Mike has problems yes, but he is a nice person who would defend you if needed. Mike needs mental and physical help and no one has stepped up except his family

          • TRAVIS WASNT THERE TO KILL OR ROB ANYBODY. U REALLY THINK HES GONNA DO SOME [removed] LIKE THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WITH A 65 YEAR OLD MAN!? I DONT [removed] THIBK SO. UR TALKING LIKE U KNOW MY MAN AND U DONT NOR DO U KNOW HIS INTENTIONS OF BEING THERE. SO STOP TALKING LIKE U KNOW WHATS UP WHEN U DONT. IT WASNT DARK. TRAVIS DIED AROUND 5 PM IN APRIL…DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME…SO NO IT WAS NOT DARK. I DOBT KNOW WAT WAS GOING ON AND NEITHER DO ANY OF U AND U COULD BET UR [removed] OFF IM PUSHING FOR EVERYTHING AND ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MURDER OF MY MAN TO BE PROSECUTED. MISS ME WITH THAT BS ABOUT HIM BEING KIND HEAETED AND EMOTIONALLY SICK. HE KNOWS HE HAS PTSD AND WAS SMOKING DOPE HIMSELF. HE WAS A TWEEKER HINSELF. SO STOP FRONTING LIKE “THESE TWEEKERS” WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HIM. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE HE SHOT SOME ONE DEAD. HE GOT THAT KID IN TEXAS, DID TIME FOR HAVIBG AN ASSUALT RIFLE ALREADY BACK IN 2009, AND BOASTS ABOUT HAVIBG PTSD. I AGREE WAYNE AND BRANDI SHOULD BE IN JAIL BOT JUST MICHAEL BUT STOP PLAYING MY MUTHAFN MAN OUT LIKE HE HAD INTENT TO ROB OR KILL MIKE CUZ THATS NOT THE CASE AT ALL…THATS ALL WAYBE AND BRANDI RIGHT THERE. THROW DIRT ON THOS MUTHAEFFERS. MY MAN WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE AND HE LOST HIS LIFE CUZ OF IT….

          • ACCORDING TO WAYNE HE MET MIKE BEFORE AT A BAR. THATS WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME BY WAYNE…..AND LIKE UR BOY MIKE.. MY MAN TRAVIS WILL DEFEND U IF HE NEEDED TOO ALSO. HE THOUGHT WAYNE WAS HIS FRIEND SO THERES NO WAY HE WOULD OF LEFT WITHOUT THAT B***H WAYNE. SO SYOP TALKING ABOUT TRAVIS AND START TALKING ABOUT WAYNE ANS BRANDI B****H A**$**!!!!!

          • Well I.F. true I don’t know your man, but on the same note you don’t know Michael either ! You don’t know what happened in Texas, so don’t speak about what you don’t know too. People with PTSD, know they have it. Yes he smokes and drinks to numb his thoughts and memories, because he can’t stand to deal with it. Yes those people took advantage of him, they stole things everytime they came into his house. Mike has said he didn’t want them there but they came. What’s wrong with telling people you have PTSD ??? It’s not a shame.I think Travis and Mike both got played and both lost. Mike was better trained by the Army and Wayne and Brandi didn’t care who lost.

          • I dont speak on what i dont know…i speak of what i do and what i do know is he shot a 15 yrar old boy…that for me or anybody for that matter should tell alot about a person. He could have called the cops just like ur saying Travis shoukd of done. Im not saying theres anything wrong qith having ptsd what i am saying is smoking meth as ur way of dealing with it is a horrible idea. When all it does is make u paranoid. Its terrible that these people whoever these people are took advantage of him. From what i was told brandi lived there and i believe rob did as well.

    • No your information is dead wrong 1 shot went thru both knees an the other shot was in the eye period , btw those shots came after not 1gun that was pointed at mike an he managed to get away from him , not 2nd gun that he had in the front of his pants close to where the first one was pulled from but the 3rd gun that was brought an retrieved from the vehicle where it was known to have been put by more than just the fallen individual. Put even then with the third gun it was not only pointed at mike but it had been shot an it miss fired n the casing was found on the floor as well as in the door in which I might add wasn’t from an ak an btw mike has an baby girl thats due to be born Dec 23rd. Mike has an beautiful fiancee an step daughter that he was wrongfully torn away from. So to your comments an opinions can go right along with the other low lifes that not only set this horrible situation for both victims but as well as their loving families that have fell victims to this tragedy!!!!

      • A 3rd gun, does his lawyer know? Havent heard about 3rd gun?
        Fiancee ???? Mike does not have a Fiancee or step-daughter ! Marry Crystal, over Mike’s families dead body !!!!!!! Cant have step-daughter if your not married. As far as Crystal being pregnant, a DNA test will be done if she wants to claim Mike as the father. I have heard how Crystal treats her daughter and abuses her. If this is Crystal, Mike is not yours and will never be.

      • @Thatruth

        You’re first post on this blog was a lie. You claimed to be Mike’s fiancee. Not true then and not true now. Still lying I see. Mike doesn’t have a step daughter. You don’t even have the facts straight. What do you hope to gain? It wasn’t a casing that was found on the floor, It was an unfired 9mm. Who were you addressing this to anyway?

  3. Those who are talking way to much about this horrible event who knew both victim n suspect should have stopped the incident b4 it even happened. Knowing that one didnt have all his screws n bolts tightened.. U all have so much to say now… One mans life is gone forever n anothers might as well be too. RIP Travis.

  4. RIP Huerto and to his family i send my most heartfelt condolences. This is a sad situation for everyone involved.

  6. Now there has been another death at that house. Rich Z. Had w what appears to be a heart attack and died about a half hour ago. He was a friend of the victims but there is no reason to believe he was involved in that case.

    • OMG!!!!!!!
      He was the reson Brandy took Travis was over there. Brandy knew Travis was the type to not give a [removed] about punking someone for their GUN. Brandy’s boyfriend wanted that gun so brandy thought she would put the buz out so she could get it for him. Travis was hyped up and willing to do just that. Rich died on the toilet at Mike’s house. Their are tweeker’s living Mikes house that robbed him.
      Danelda R. I have a CSI report number that says quite clearly that Brandy the girlfriend to Rich, that just had a baby taken from her at the hospital because baby was having DT’S
      at birth!!!!! is very much involved in the death of Travis.

      • U sure seem like u know a whole lot. Did u know Travis or mike? Or are u affiliated with the people who set all this [removed] up…cuz how would u know if travis’s was there to punk mike for his gun or not. Is that what brandy is saying? Cuz that would mean u know brandy and rich which would mean u know the other witness…which tells me a whole lot. Where do u get off with all these details about rich wanting that ak and them using Travis’s as a way to get it by having the other witness who Travis thought and considered a friend take him there….mmmmmmhhhhh sounds like some [removed] got setup.

        • Or it would mean that u know mike and u went and visited him or put money on ur phone to accept a call from him. U have a lot of detailed information and sound very sure of ursrlf about the details of this case…

      • I did not say Brandi was not involved. I said there was no reason to believe he was involved in the case. He may have been but there has been no evidence to prove such as of yet and I wasn’t looking to get myself sued by his next of kin for making statements I could not prove nor was I looking to inflict more pain on Riches family as I did mention that at the time I posted that info Rich’s body was still at Mikes waiting for the meat wagon to pick him up.

        And I am very aware of the circumstances concerning Brandis baby and I am not sure if you are aware that Rich was not her boyfriend at the time she became pregnant, nor during her pregnancy and in all honesty I think, if anything, Rich was a playmate not a boyfriend, if even that.

    • Y is there no mention anywhere of the 2nd death in the residence ? Rich I believe supposedly had a heartattack on the toilet while in the home days after Michael had got arrested for Travis’ death and he ( rich) and brandy had already sold everything in the home belonging to Michael ?? Brandy is STILLL IN THAT HOUSE ILLEGALLY. Travis never woulda died had brandy not brought him there to rob Michael. It’s her fault

        • Maybe because her last job was a person dressed as the Statue of Liberty 2 years ago. Don’t think she can pay rent. And the neighbors IF THEY WERE ASKED they would tell you no way did she rent from Mike.

  7. Travis made a did not know Mike. But he knew about him and knew he had money.
    When Travis went over to Mike’s house he knew things could go wrong when you
    Punk someone. Travis was probably a guy that was fearless and a badass but you can’t expect a Vet to stand by wile you Punk him for what he has. He got shot wile he was moving away from Mike because Mike was holding a AK.
    Now what do you think Travis did to make Mike pull his gun on him. Do you think Travis is capable of doing something to set off Mike? Ask yourself Peter.
    its a flip of a coin when Weddo go’s to someones house to do them wrong.
    If their’s a mean tuff guy robbing you and you are able to grab your gun as he sees this and starts to run are you going to shot him and drag him back in the house?
    RIP Travis.

    • So how would you know if Travis went to punk him or not? This guy shot a 15 year old kid six years ago, no excuse military or not. I’ve known plenty of other veterans that have been through some hard times and they didn’t have any screws missing like this guy. Real Army Rangers too. Granted, Travis shouldn’t have been at the house, but he was and he’s gone now. This guy needs to pay, not get some special treatment cause he was in the military

      • I Know he went to punk him. You or I would have probably done the same thing if someone came to your house to punk you. Its probably not what any of Travis’s family wants to hear but if you are part of his family you know its not beyond Travis to punk someone.
        I believe laws are put in place to protect us against cold blooded murder’s. I believe Mike will take responsibility for his actions and Travis paid for his in the most extreme way.

          • Their was two other people with Travis that day. I was not one of them. Travis made it clear to people he wanted that gun. P.S The 15 year old thug kid he shot was suppose to kill Mike for gang initiation.
            I believe Mike needs some representation.I hope someone good defends him.

          • Two other people who were inside the house when the argument was going on outside. Different stories are being told I’m sure, but the person Travis was with that day went for another reason. As more witnesses are being contacted, it looks like Mike would need Johnny Cochran. Btw, apparently Travis wasn’t the only “weddo” around

          • The Girl Brandy =the (driver) is not a fourth right type of person. As the truth is uncovered you will see this all revolves around her. I hear that the people that are occupying his house NOW faked out the cops with a fake rental agreement. All Mike’s stuff is considered sold. All you have to do is ask Mike who rents from him. As long as Mike is away the Meth addicts get to stay.

  9. Tim Scott where are you to defend this killer he is one of your criminal clients. I SAY NEVER LET HIM OUT OR JUST PUT HIM TO SLEEP he is an aggressive guy picking fights on streets with any other drivers with kids in there cars that’s a red flag don’t care if he is a Vet or not he don’t belong in general public it was his choice to join the military if you know you don’t have the mentality for the military don’t join its not like VIDEO GAMES KIDS.

    • As usual, you invoke my name despite having not clue one about where I stand…despite the number of comments I have made that are all completely consistent.

    • Sometimes when you cut someone off and then not let them pass its better to except responsibility and say sorry before it turns into road rage with your girls in the car. But to put a man in jail for the rest of his life because he showed you he wanted to kick your ass for what you did to him and showed NO remorse. You are too self consumed in you own world. And you obviously have a vendetta against Mike because you know how to pull his strings. Mike did not hit you he just told you he wanted to. I would bet $1 million dollars people have told you you’re not a very good listener but I bet you weren’t listening too.
      Teaching your girls that Daddy can say the word sorry is so so much better that saying I’m not fighting you cause my girls are with me.
      It show the girls you would fight him, very bad! and your not smart enough to USE YOUR WORDS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

      • I NEVER CUT HIM OFF, so I now you’re not talking to me. If you learned how to read, you would be to extrapolate from my pist that HE CUT ME OFF, then tried to scrap with me over HIM CUTTING ME OFF. Beyond this whole internet based argument that you have trolled me into, Mike would get wrecked, no matter what; I bet money I’d even tear you a new one. I guarantee you and him wouldn’t last 3 minutes in a scrap with me. The only reason I didn’t hop out the car and wail on him is just because I refuse to put my daughters in that sort of situation. Their lives are worth more than mine, Mike’s, yours, or anyone’s for that matter.

        • Wow and you are saying Mike has a violent temperament.
          No one just starts flipping someone off for no reason. I bet someone has told you you are bipolar. And I bet you didn’t hear them. Because bipolar people are always the victim and are never wrong really don’t listen to what other people say. Kids learn from example and I sure hope you hide the side of yourself from them.

      • I know you’re not talking to me. If you learned how to read, you would be to extrapolate from my post that he cut me off, then tried to scrap with me over it. Beyond this whole internet based argument that you have trolled me into, Mike would get wrecked, no matter what; I bet money I’d even tear you a new one. I guarantee you and him wouldn’t last 3 minutes in a scrap with me. The only reason I didn’t hop out the car and dust my knuckles on him is just because I refuse to put my daughters in that sort of situation. Their lives are worth more than mine, Mike’s, yours, or anyone’s for that matter

  10. Personally he’s a good guy all you people is so full of it he was an army Ranger that fought for our freedom and I witness a lot of people stealing from him putting guns to his face to rob him in his own home he just got fed up all he wanted was loyal friends I just went by his home and the people that got left in his home took advantage of the suspect being in jail and all his stuff is gone accept for four things and the victim himself wasn’t so innocent himself sorry to his kids that they lost their daddy he tried to punk the wrong person

    • Really everything is gone he is my husband’s friend he really is a good guy with ptsd problems

      • I known Greenstone for years he was a good man hardly ever left his property if you know someone has ptsd plz don’t argue with them count your losses especially if they own a AK

    • Travis did not try to punk he did not even know the guy a guy name Wayne took him over he is the one that should be laying in the mortuary, People should not be talking crap that do not know what they are talking about, right Tim Scott, I will be in your office on Tuesday

    • I could care less about his service; just because someone served in the military does not make them a hero, or above anyone else. And FYI, he didn’t fight for my freedom, because my freedoms have never been threatened by anyone in those backwards countries. When was the last time you saw the Taliban Air Force? How about the ISIS Air Force? It’s ok, I will wait.

    • Thank you for stating the truth about my fiance! I need to get in contact with his family asap b4 it’s too late!!! Their coming after me I pray I get to talk to his mother aunt etc b4 i lm killed

        • Really oh he didn’t ? Shows how much u know, we’re u their!!! It sounds like u thought u knew everything sorry to say u know somethings n I wonder how ,seems to me you was in on the framing too sorry [removed] could get off your shoulders get a job n get your own the truth always comes out if u knew everything u would know that instead keep incriminating yourself dummy btw the police can track where when n who sent these replies I ain’t worried btw they know who I am n who we were sorry about your opinion it’s all false about him

          • Better yet Mr.D…………. you are the only one who feels that you have the place, space an opportunity to speak up on what you don’t know…. Well how about you speak up on what your reasoning,involvement or why you have any business to think your opinion speaking up period in this arena what so ever…. Damn you must of been too busy…….. n missed the memo first!!!!! But don’t worry I’ll wait….

          • Ms G, not sure who you are, but you have no right using any part of Michael’s name. Or are you Crystal ??? If you are, you got all your going to get and nothing else from Michael. Same goes for your friends and that whole no good group.

      • Who are you??? Your name is not greenstone ! Go to police and tell them someone is coming after you. and No Michael does not have a Fiance, so stop passing yourself off as something your not.

        • Hold the [removed] up!!!! I am Crystal,!!! His for last known woman! an as far as wtf I got from micheal I have never n will never be an materialistic woman, another thing I depend on no 1 but myself for anthing 1 thing i do know is that we were inseparable our chemistry was undeniably an our love for one another can NEVER be replaced! Their were alot of people that didn’t like the fact we was so close, so they started putting lies in his ear.1st off I’ve been out of cali for more than 8 years NOBODY that sabatouged belittled demeaned degraded an slandered, my name character knew nothing about me!!! But to the individuals I did meet an came across since moving back to cali knew 1 thing fasho is I’m loyal loving,caring and an nurtured anyone i met as well as honest true with a heart that was too big an I demanded my respect because I gave it from jump, if any of yall had met me it would of been the same,I was introduced to his to help him yes he has PTSD an at times its very hard an the people he thought were is friends was stealing from him, wasn’t making sure he had meals,wasn’t taking him to Dr appointments etc, their is alot that people don’t about him… n if any 1 did u want to take all the pain of just the thought of just knowing what he fights physically everyday, yes he is heroic yes he is loving caring kind an especially smart very intellectual… I’ve said enough Bottom Line Is YES I FEELINGS HE WAS SET UP YES We WERE SABATAUGED N WHAT I GOT ALL THAT I GOT WAS AN CRUSHED HEART! BUT JUST FYI I DIDN’T KNOW NOR SEEN ANYONE B4 THAT WAS THEIR that LAST NIGHT hell I contacted the police n let it be known that NO Mike did not have any tenants living with him hell the last 1 had just left not even a week prior I have texts message from him happy that everyone had finally figured out an way. He always had an open door an heart for anyone. I wasn’t able to make it the day after he went to jail,but I SURE DID let it be know to the laws,but I did make it the second day, an everything was gone, except for 3 sets of his keys which went to his pride an joy btw of his lexus,atv,dirt bike which is still their, so who ever the [removed] that is that’s portraying to be me,as well as the mother [removed] that’s speaking on me an against me an him like you knew I hope yall rot in eternal hell!!! Clearly falsely accusing accusations that’s demeaning degrading especially slandering my character an his! Get a life of your own first an play russian Roulette with each other b4 coming for anybody elses! I know I show would love to see who these [removed] are when he is a quitted of all charges an case is deamed self defense.

          • G U HAVE NO RIGHT SPEAKING ON MY NAME IT’S OBVIOUS U DON’T KNOW ME, U MUST BE A PART OF THAT NO GOOD GROUP WETF THEY MAY BE…….???????!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT PUT ME UNDER OATH WITH THE BEST POLYGRAPH TEST HELL I TAKE THEM ALL!!!! I WAS RIGHTEOUS SINCE DAY 1, STOOD BEHIND HIM AN FA DAMN SHOW HAD, HAS, N HAVE HIS #1 FAN!!!! WTF ARE U???? IT’S OBVIOUS U GOT SOME COWARDLY ASS TRAITS LIKE WTF PORTRAYING TO BE ME TAKING MY STRIPES AS MRS . GREENSTONE I KNOW 1 THING AS FOR MICHAEL AN I WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD WE ARE WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS,AN THEIR IS NO WEAPONS FORMED AGAINST US SHALL PROSPER IN JESUS NAME HIS WILL WILL BE DONE!!!!! WE ARE BOTH ALPHAS HE’S ALPHA MALE I’M ALPHA FEMALE UPPER ECHELONS WE CAN AN WILL GET THRU OVERCOME AN DEFY THE ODDS SET AGAINST US EVERYTIME!!!!GOD SEES AN KNOWS ALL N I PRAY HE HAS MERCY ON ANY N EVERYONE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE FRAMING AN ROBBERY AN SABATAUGING in the END LOVE ALWAYS WINS AN PREVAILS!!!!! SO [removed] ALL YALL FRIENDLY BOBBIN LAZY TRIFLIN LOW BUDGET NON MOTHER [removed] FACTORS, THAT DON’T WANT TO DO WHAT IT TAKES IT GET YOUR OWN trying to BULLY hoodwinkanbamboosle falsely accuse an frame THEN GOT THE BALLS SPEAKING UP ON WHATCHA DON’T KNOW, KNOW THIS I JUST LOOK THIS WAY N GUESS WHAT????? I CAN PROVE IT!!!! [removed] SIMPLETON!!!!!

          • Well if you know what happened, then you need to contact his Lawyer and tell your story. If you care for Michael as much as you say, then where have you been during these last weeks? If you really cared for Michael, why didn’t you contact his family to say he needed help. Especially since he was having mental issues. If you cared for him you would have contacted his family.

          • Wtf was I, why haven’t I , if I really cared! you know what I’ve tried many of ways to contact his family way b4 this as well as idk who his attorney is…. u must not of read my last post I don’t owe u nor anyone else an explanation just because you can’t see me doesn’t mean I wasn’t their,hell trust my number is well known n all calls were recorded this [removed] is alot bigger than just an argument /murder I’m done reading listening to an responding to opinions comments statements etc sounds like u know his family &attorney have then contact me

          • to Crystal: you didnt try to contact his family cause they know nothing about you. No calls, letters nothing. You sound very angry and have a potty mouth. This is about someone you supposedly care about, not about you. Your out and free in the world and Michael may just spend the rest of his life in jail for defending himself. If you truly care for Michael you would call the Public Defenders Office and tell his lawyer all you know. Not just ranting about you.

          • In response to I….. I never once said anything was about me, AN as far as your opinions on how I verbally express myself, your lips to God’s ears maybe he will listen, now as far as his family His aunt Ms.Diane, his mother Ms.Suzanne know about me due to many conversations they had while I was their about his progress an findings after many dr.appts,we went to…. Now I contacted the police letting them know that their isn’t supposed to be anyone at the house,their were no tenants living their,an even informed him that I had texts messages to prove it, I couldn’t make it to the house because I would of put them out my damn self,I’ve contacted detective furgonson letting him know as well an how I felt, he was supposed to contact me the very next day an meet me at the house, he never did, I’ve contacted twin towers checking on him constantly.Now I don’t know who you are and you obviously don’t know who I am how can I call an I don’t know their number how can I write if I don’t know their address. An just fyi the only reason I took anytime on this sight was due to the fact I was informed about not only people speaking negativity about him an then involving me speaking up on me…. now idk about you but I stand for something, an btw ms.greenstone his fiance or ms g those are all me…… I’ve been harassed by police I’ve been followed,as well as someone broke into my house.I’m constantly being watched an they have no issues letting it be known,as well as my car broken into as well as sabatougeing my car so i either wreck or go to jaol because of someone planting something in the body of my car…. i have pictures to prove it……everything I just said,I can only do so much,but 1 thing i do know is he won’t be staying in jail an for damn sure not for the rest if his life……. an I’m sorry that you felt that I was only talking about me, I don’t see it but now you know what it is an I’m going to disregard your whole post

          • An btw I??? U seem to know his family very well to know that I didn’t call or write, not knowing I don’t have their contact info, my hands are tied, I wasn’t even their idk who travis was neither nor anyone else that had an hand in sabatougeing us,,him in general period but when it comes to certain things I follow the ol school code, You know now who I am an the position I’m in, He didn’t ask for any of this an I for damn sure didn’t sign up for it. Idk what more to tell you…… An as far as yours an anyone else’s opinions comments gestures nor statements about me how I feel or what I should be doing, keep it to yourself or it will fall into deaf deaf ears, No one has nor can walk in my shoes hell ya wouldn’t even laSt a second take a look in the mirror an judge an criticize yourself. ….. if anyone responds to anything I’ve said an leaves another reply,I potty the foo,cause I’m not looking reading nor responding to nothing else….an to the ones that’s stubborn an leaves an reply I say you bad just make sure to repeat it to me in my face!!!

        • Crystal, Michael’s family dont know you and they only know what Michael has said about you. That’s it. You keep talking about how things have affected you, poor Crystal she out in the world free. Michael on the hand is in jail probably for the rest of his life, but poor Crystal. If you have any information that can help Michael Great ! Call the Public Defender and tell them what you know.

          • You obviously don’t understand very well,I mainly talk about Michael in every post anything that directly affects me I have the right to speak on. If you don’t like it don’t read it, I’ve contacted everyone needed yet again (Mr.Francis) etc leaving information and still getting no response why do u think I’ve been trying to get in contact with his family…. hey,but hell I don’t know nothing n it’s poor me!!!!! Better yet since u know them an can speak for them how about u call me then we can three way…..318-946-0363 let’s see how much u care!!!!

          • Btw Michaels family didn’t get the opportunity of meeting me, as vise verse all I know about then is what he has told me, an dispute my own feelings I still have tried n still try to reach out,but 1 thing i will not accept nor stand for the disrespect assumptions an opinions of anyone that doesn’t know nor has tried to get to know,I see now what he was saying to be true as many times an ways I’ve tried oh I got that message I should’ve left a note on the lexus, so worried about the wrong things Instead of trying to criticize me on what u think I ain’t doin speak on what yall haven’t thought about doing cause yall never cared, I know alot more about everyone in the family the roles an situations thus far!!!!!! Now if yall can come down off yall high horses maybe we can get somethings accomplished until then quit wasting MY time with your acts of care an concerns that doesn’t mean anything… I know the real disowned etc…..

          • An I have yet to hear from you nor his family!!!!! Sooo what do you have to say in response I’ve made myself more than available…. You talk a good one…. You gotta crawl b4 you walk!!!! I will blame you an family if justice isn’t served or anything happens to him!!!! All he ever wanted was to make y’all happy an be accepted an loved by his family!!! You have no idea the pain an loneliness. He has an feels in his heart!!!! I pray god has mercy on your souls!!!! Love you My Handsome Man!!!!! No MATTER who does!!!!

          • K,
            Oh Crystal, Crystal, my dear get a life and leave Michael alone. Michael loves his family and his family loves him. Michael knows this. You hung out with a man who was on drugs and alcohol for most of the day. You never met the real sober Michael, who is a wonderful and fantastic person. So stop trying to get into his life, you never will. Oh by the way he has no money, in fact he is in big debit. So if you love him so much pay off his debits, you probably help contributed to some of it anyway.

  11. Don’t know the guy, or anything about him, the shooter that is. However, on more than one occasion he cut me off and flipped me off in a fit of road rage when I had my two and four year old daughters in the car with me. He pulled up next to me on a one-way road on 40th East and told me to get out the car to fight him. He saw I had my daughters in my car, and still tried to fight me; this happened at least 3 times. If it wasn’t for my babies being the car, I would have gotten out and wrecked this guys world. The reason I know, I remember his Lexus, with the PTSD1 plates. Glad that this POS is off the streets.

  12. I’m sorry but the article states that these two men were “Male Hispanics” yet neither of them have names that sound remotely Hispanic and neither of them even look Hispanic. So why does the media insist on making “Hispanics” look violent?!

    • I know the suspect…so sad for him, the victim and all families involved. My heart goes out to the them. Michael, I love you and I’m sorry you have been so troubled. You are like my own. Michael is not Hispanic and hopefully the media will correct this error.

  14. RIP MY BOY MAY GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL AND I WILL BE THERE FOR MY NEPHEW AND NIECE AND MY SISTER I HAVE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME IT HURTS TO SEE THIS BUT WHATEVER THE SITUATION WAS IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF I LOVE YOU AND YOU WILL BE MISSED

  15. The Victim was my brother in law with two small kids and i hope the [removed] who killed him gets the maximum and this is that our family have family in the system hell get his

  16. I didn’t realize this until I visited other countries, but some Americans are just way too sensitive. In the UK, people tend to be very grumpy and will curse each other out in a heartbeat but then leave it at that. It seems like these delicate flowers over here have such a fragile ego that they just can’t bear the thought of being “dissed”. What an absolute embarrassment of a human being.

    May the victim rest in peace.

    • Yes Europeans are so enlightened. How’s immigration treating you all? There hasn’t been nearly as much criticism of Americas immigration policies lately. I wonder why?

  17. But how in the heck did this happen? AK-47s aren’t allowed in California. There is no way this young man would have been killed if we banned more guns. Especially the black guns. I wonder if it was modified with a full auto bullet button magazine clip.

      • They are AK47 variants. In other words they look like AK-47s or are altered “AK-47s” but are no longer truly AK-47s. All legal “AK-47s” sold in the US have been altered.

    • Assault rifles can be legally owned in California if that rifle was purchased and registered before January 2000. It would be illegal for the registered owner of an assault rifle to sell it today in California.

    • really….ban more guns….really…..let me ask you. if we ban more guns do you think a criminal wont be able to get guns from an other crimincals…come on think about it. good guys buy guns from a store WHERE YOU WANT TO BAN THEM FROM. bad guys don’t……

  18. I believe my primas husband is related to the victim. Please have some respect! He was a Marine!

      • Well disagree if you don’t know facts
        Michel is a RETIRED ARMY VETERAN
        the plates on his Lexus PTSD1 the man is a war hero
        stop judging

        • Army veteran, from an artillery unit. Who has killed two people since discharge. Might want to drop the word hero and start using the word “participant.” PTSD is something most of us have to deal with; we all seem to do alright without shooting 15 year old kids, fellow veterans, and bragging about a disability on a vanity plate.

          You want to support our troops? Please don’t throw in with those who represent us the worst.

          • No he hasn’t killed 2 people. You don’t know the facts don’t comment. He is a Vet with PTSD and many other medical issues. Government declared him a hero and many Vets are being given a bad rap for their mental and physical issues. !5 yr. old was shot in shoulder doing a gang initiation when he confronted Mike. !5 yr. is now in prison with brother cause of gang actitivies.
            If you don’t know any Vets with PTSD then don’t comment, their lives are hell.

          • Randy you can say that greenstone was a meth head but your nephew was a supplier so he wasn’t innocent

          • Well said Eric, I am a Vet with PTSD, I know many vets with PTSD, none of us go around saying we are disabled vets and shoot people. As far as being a war hero, I have heard too many stories of people exaggerating claims of grandeur. I am sure the stories he has told to his friends and family who do not know any better are more exciting than a Rambo film. Why grab a weapon when people are unarmed? Senseless violence, makes it harder for vets with real PTSD to live normal lives when everyone thinks we are crazy because of this one situation. P.S. I personally know someone has was given an 80 percent disability rating for PTSD that had a desk job while deployed(irritates me, but not my decision to grant that rating). As far as the person claiming he was an Army Ranger, hero, etc, I am curious to see what his DD214 says.

        • WAR HERO MY ASS, HE KILLED MY NEPHEW IN COLD BLOOD [removed], AND SHOT A FIFTEEN YEAR OLD KID IN THE CHEST FOR NO REASON AND HIDES BEHIND PTSD. AND IS A METH HEAD. CHECK YOURSELF. EVEN BETTER ID YOURSELF

          • Hides behind PTSD ? Wow you dont know any Vets with PTSD, do you. NO one wants PTSD and its not something you can hide behind. I know many Vets with PTSD and its a hard life when you have it. If you people thought so badly about suspect, then why were you at his house?? That area is not a place you just go walking by. To be there you had to purposely go there.

          • This is for Lyle Smith above, if you’re really a Vet with PTSD then you should understand what Vets go through. Yes many Vets say they are disabled Vets and some do shoot people or assault them. Read “Fields of Combat” by Erin P. Finley who writes about understanding PTSD among Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes Michael has the medals to prove himself being a War Hero and he does not talk or tell stories about his time in Iraq, it is too painful to him. Michael was given 100% disability by the government and put on permanent retirement for the rest of his life. He is not allowed to work because of his PTSD, Panic attacks, Flashbacks, Blood disease from Iraq, Kidneys and lungs are also affected and other issues. You don’t know Michael, so don’t comment. Yes he shouldn’t have shot Travis, but Travis had no business being there. They weren’t friends, so was Travis selling drugs or trying to steal something ????? Michael was train to kill from the Army and was taught to be on guard at all times and never was he given any de-training back to civilian life, so he is always ready to defend himself. That’s what our government made him into, a killing machine. Michael watched his befriend in the Army get his head blown off right next to him. How does a 19 yr. old kid get over something like that ??? Michael is a very nice person who gets involved with the wrong people who steal from him.

        • FACT IS NO AK MY NEPHEW WOULD HAVE KICKED HIS ASS. I DO SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND HAVE FAMILY IN MIX. HE’S A METH HEAD AND A COWARD. CHECK IT

          • Here’s the thing Randy…

            Why do you think it is okay for your nephew to “kick ass” and someone else is just supposed to take it if they are less equipped for a fight? I can kick ass just fine, but if I’m beating on a guy and get shot for my troubles I consider that I have no room to complain.

            I wasn’t there and have no idea what the fight was about…I’m only asking about what you said here.

          • So It is your family’s (Nephew) fault that Mike did Meth. He was not doing it before he moved out there. Thats why Mike started to act crazy, because of Your Nephew. So who do you blame in these situations the Dealer or substance abuser. How proud that Travis’ children must be that their father sells drugs to people that cannot control themselves. Shame on the whole family.

          • His behavior sounds like meth, including shooting the 15 year old. Seems paranoid and psychotic. I’d guess the military didn’t declare him a hero either. Does the military give out hero status?

          • Tim Scott,

            Yes if you get your ass kicked in a fist fight take your beating, don’t go grab a gun. And this guy was on Meth long before he met Travis

          • No worries about me grabbing a gun. What I said was that if I am beating someone to death and they shoot me in self defense I can’t be mad about it. Guns are an equalizer that allows people to overcome genetics, and denying them just so the big people can take advantage is no solution.

            Unfortunately, a lot of people use them as “cold steel courage,” thinking that instead of a last resort they should turn every petty dispute into a life and death situation. Being able to beat someone to death certainly doesn’t mean that I should, and having a gun doesn’t mean it is okay to get into situations where using it seems justified.

    • Mike the news paper and media are full of it it was not a argument and my brother in law was walking away and got c shot from behind

      • Why was Travis there ??? He didn’t know Michael. So Travis just walked up to the house and turned around and got shot ? Something had to happen and the truth is not being told here.

  22. For your own sake and for your family and others, if you cannot hold your temper, tend toward road rage, or obsess when someone does you wrong, please get rid of your guns even if they are legal.
    Alas, there are those who believe even people who cannot control their anger should not voluntarily get rid of their guns.